Met Police wanted to ban Albion fans?

[St Patricks Day]

In the concourse at half time (I was there).

And, according to a few other posters, outside the ground afterwards, stuff like people's cars and property being damaged (I wasn't there).

All Cars always get damaged around selhurst and have been since the 70's and always will do. It's part of our culture.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I also find it very odd those people that have a problem with all authority- those people that hate police, teachers, stewards etc seem to have psychological issues with following instructions.

You feel free to do exactly as you are told without question. Others have done that over history and not been able to complain about it afterwards, but you carry on letting others make decisions for you.

 

[Wilko]

You feel free to do exactly as you are told without question. Others have done that over history and not been able to complain about it afterwards, but you carry on letting others make decisions for you.

I am talking about a policeman asking you to hold on a few minutes, a teacher asking you to be quiet while others are talking or a steward asking you to sit down so others can see. It it those that get into a row or argument about these sort of insignificant issues that are baffling.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Don't really understand how the police attitude to which you refer (which I didn't see, despite being at the front of the kettle myself@) could explain a) smashing up toilets and seats (well before the kettling), or indeed b) pulling off wing mirrors and abusing locals. So the police are aggressive with you, and that justifies vandalising the cars of innocent people? You'd have to be a bit of a moron to make that argument, surely?

No, I'm not arguing that, that would of course be moronic.
My argument is that had the police treated Brighton fans in a better manner, then i'm sure some of the trouble which occurred on the way to Norwood would not have happened, as they flared up the atmosphere.

 

[amexee]

I also find it very odd those people that have a problem with all authority- those people that hate police, teachers, stewards etc seem to have psychological issues with following instructions.

I find it very odd and frankly upsetting that people that are happy to blindly follow instructions, are then put in positions to issue "because I say so" instructions.

 

[Wilko]

I find it very odd and frankly upsetting that people that are happy to blindly follow instructions, are then put in positions to issue "because I say so" instructions.

Depends what the instruction is surely? Do you get pissed off with a red light asking you to stop whilst driving?

 

[8ace]

Usual OB lickers on this thread

 

[wellquickwoody]

Depends what the instruction is surely? Do you get pissed off with a red light asking you to stop whilst driving?

No I don't, as it makes perfect sense when driving my car to follow rational safety precautions, but when the lights get stuck because the sensors do not register me on a bicycle I break the red light when safe to do so. Its called thinking for myself, you should try it sometime. Or would you just sit there, stationary, waiting for the lights to change, or waiting for an official type person to let you get on with your life?

 

[Wilko]

No I don't, as it makes perfect sense when driving my car to follow rational safety precautions, but when the lights get stuck because the sensors do not register me on a bicycle I break the red light when safe to do so. Its called thinking for myself, you should try it sometime. Or would you just sit there, stationary, waiting for the lights to change, or waiting for an official type person to let you get on with your life?

No. Likewise, there is a reason why some people have to give instructions- police may ask you to wait a moment to let others passed or for your own safety, would you just ignore that and do what you want then?

Oh, I do think for myself thank you, no need to be rude. I am just stating a point that sometimes we need to follow instructions for our own good and for the benefit of others. If we all did exactly what we wanted all the time the world would be a selfish environment of chaos.

 

[wellquickwoody]

No. Likewise, there is a reason why some people have to give instructions- police may ask you to wait a moment to let others passed or for your own safety, would you just ignore that and do what you want then?

Oh, I do think for myself thank you, no need to be rude. I am just stating a point that sometimes we need to follow instructions for our own good and for the benefit of others. If we all did exactly what we wanted all the time the world would be a selfish environment of chaos.

But when on my bicycle the red light is asking me to wait a moment to let others pass safely, or to keep me safe, how long should I wait there (remembering that the sensor has not registered my presence)?

Its all a matter of personal interpretation and judgement is it not? It is the Met's judgement that they should have the right to expect law abiding football fans to surrender their match ticket and other ID for inspection when travelling to and from a football match, and if unwilling to do so the fans risk a one year ban. As has been mentioned on other threads, this would seem to show the police attempting to bully football fans and clubs by threatening to ban away fans from fixtures, when their conditions are at least legally questionable if not illegal. Should questions not be asked, or should we just do as we are told?

 

[Wilko]

But when on my bicycle the red light is asking me to wait a moment to let others pass safely, or to keep me safe, how long should I wait there (remembering that the sensor has not registered my presence)?

Its all a matter of personal interpretation and judgement is it not? It is the Met's judgement that they should have the right to expect law abiding football fans to surrender their match ticket and other ID for inspection when travelling to and from a football match, and if unwilling to do so the fans risk a one year ban. As has been mentioned on other threads, this would seem to show the police attempting to bully football fans and clubs by threatening to ban away fans from fixtures, when their conditions are at least legally questionable if not illegal. Should questions not be asked, or should we just do as we are told?

I agree with you that the Met are being too heavy on this on this, I am not disputing that at all. I just think that many football fans could help themselves and their reputation a LOT by being less antagonistic, a bit more friendly and a bit more co-operative. I know that many, many fans do this but some fans seem intent on being disruptive for the sake of it. We are probably suffering the backlash from idiotic Millwall fans.

 

[Socialist Sid]

Of course not but the met police really don't help things a lot of the time. At the game in December it was obvious that a lot of the police officers had serious attitudes and took pleasure in treating all of our fans like scum. I have found this on a lot of games in London for many years so it does seem to be a met police issue.

I can't be arsed to go through the whole thread but saw this above. and totally agree.

The first time I really 'noticed' the Met was away to Kingostian a few moons ago, when on the way out they all had their batons raised above their shoulders. Why?

Did they want trouble, were they provoking? It certainly looked that way, it felt that way and it bloody smelt that way.

Like many on this site and well beyond, I've travelled the length and breadth and seen the differing Police forces and how they do things but the Met are truly a law unto themselves.

Nothing seems to change.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Surely if someone smashes a window or a bog they can be arrested and chucked in a police van. Don't see why the rest of us should be subjected to kettling and herded around by riot police.

Or is that too simplistic a view ? !

 

[Dover]

I must admit that I have not been to Selhust since that awful drubbing a few years ago, and for me it was not just being told to stop behind but the attitude of both the Police and some of our supporters, and both were shameful.

 

[portlock seagull]

I must admit that I have not been to Selhust since that awful drubbing a few years ago, and for me it was not just being told to stop behind but the attitude of both the Police and some of our supporters, and both were shameful.

Me too and agree entirely

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Usual OB lickers on this thread

makes you sick doesn't it , DO GOODERS THAT JUST FALL IN LINE WITH ANY OLD SHIT
regards
DR

 

[Del Fenner]

the met are rubbish though
sussex police actually have a clue what they're doing

This. St Paddy's Day was generally intelligently policed.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

This. St Paddy's Day was generally intelligently policed.

The approach was spot on and all they need is to copy it again. The MET police are trying to crack it, in a more clumsy way in my opinion, but they're trying. I wish them well, tough night for them but I'll be safely at home!

 

[Westdene Wonder]

In view of the problems in the past it would be better if only Homes fans were able to attend.

 

[Buzzer]

In view of the problems in the past it would be better if only Homes fans were able to attend.

If you truly believe that is the solution then a part of me has died inside. David Evans - ex-Luton chairman and borderline fascist argued this in the 1980s as the way forward. He was wrong then and you're wrong now - it would kill football. I mean that. I think I'd give up going if away fans were banned.