Who do you blame for the late equaliser today?

[Thunder Bolt]

CMS missed three, one he really should have scored and Orlandi really should have buried his chance. I'm not someone who is out to get Barnes as some are so don't think I have an agenda. But you can't miss that many chances and still keep your shirt. CMS does score goals, something I think Barnes has forgotten and he needs a rest.

Barnes isn't playing as a striker which is drawing unfair criticism from the fans. The fact that he is trying to get shots in, is a bonus although I agree he should have buried the penalty. It is not surprising that when Barnes went off the field, the defence started sitting deeper as we needed Barnes defensive qualities to help out.

 

[blue and white stripes45]

Are refs starting to confuse football with rugby when it comes to blowing the full time whistle

 

[somerset]

Barnes isn't playing as a striker which is drawing unfair criticism from the fans. The fact that he is trying to get shots in, is a bonus although I agree he should have buried the penalty. It is not surprising that when Barnes went off the field, the defence started sitting deeper as we needed Barnes defensive qualities to help out.

Sorry but that is garbage... he often drifts into areas he isn't meant to because that is him... disorganised and ineffectual.

 

[blockhseagull]

Barnes isn't playing as a striker which is drawing unfair criticism from the fans. The fact that he is trying to get shots in, is a bonus although I agree he should have buried the penalty. It is not surprising that when Barnes went off the field, the defence started sitting deeper as we needed Barnes defensive qualities to help out.

I agree with you we sat deeper, which did lead to the goal.

I'm not judging him on his goals to games ratio.... But I do think it's fair to judge him on his goals to chances ratio. He missed several chances yesterday and a couple of sitters last week against Huddersfield. I don't buy into the well it's a bonus he is getting in to those postions, it's his job to get in the box even when he is playing a withdrawn role. He needs a rest and someone else needs a chances simple as. No point having a squad if players don't get a chance when others aren't performing. Barnes will get his chance again and I'm sure with a period out of the side he will take it with both hands and show he is good enough. Right now he isn't.

 

[LamieRobertson]

True to a degree but Barnes missed a shocking SIX chances

six? eh..u sure of that

 

[withdeanwombat]

We scored three at Wolves,but the same thing happened.

Are our players trained to last to the final whistle,or not ?

 

[Acker79]

True to a degree but Barnes missed a shocking SIX chances

According to the AP stats (via espnsoccernet), CMS took 5 shots (4 on target), Orlandi took 4(1), Barnes took 4 (2).

 

[blockhseagull]

six? eh..u sure of that

I can remember 5 and sure there was another so pretty sure

 

[LamieRobertson]

I can remember 5 and sure there was another so pretty sure

Well yur memory beats mine ..and according to ackers post beats the stats too...still someone else has posted he wastes 25 per game (i think)...i dont think anyone is in doubt he had a poor one..just the exaggeration and constant chest beating of some (not u)

 

[blockhseagull]

According to the AP stats (via espnsoccernet), CMS took 5 shots (4 on target), Orlandi took 4(1), Barnes took 4 (2).

Yeah but that doesn't count the air shot does it ?

All Barnes chances were also convertible ... Two of Orlandi's were great shots from distance one of which hit the bar although he should have buried the soft shot in the 2nd half

 

[blockhseagull]

Well yur memory beats mine ..and according to ackers post beats the stats too...still someone else has posted he wastes 25 per game (i think)...i dont think anyone is in doubt he had a poor one..just the exaggeration and constant chest beating of some (not u)

1. The pen
2. The rebound
3. Free header first half
4. Air shot at near post
5. One that went about 10 yards wide of the left hand post.

I'm not blaming just Barnes but he was the main culprit yesterday and the week before against Huddersfield

 

[LamieRobertson]

1. The pen
2. The rebound
3. Free header first half
4. Air shot at near post
5. One that went about 10 yards wide of the left hand post.

I'm not blaming just Barnes but he was the main culprit yesterday and the week before against Huddersfield

I dont read your post in that way...the penalty was awful...harsh to include as 2...as the second wouldn't (shouldnt) hav happened without the first ..cant remember the free header...air shot at near post yes..remember that well..cant recall first half header or one that went 10 yards wide lol....were they actual 'chances' or merely attempts on goal...i guess depends on your definition

 

[blockhseagull]

I dont read your post in that way...the penalty was awful...harsh to include as 2...as the second wouldn't (shouldnt) hav happened without the first ..cant remember the free header...air shot at near post yes..remember that well..cant recall first half header or one that went 10 yards wide lol....were they actual 'chances' or merely attempts on goal...i guess depends on your definition

Yeah I might be being harsh with the rebound but to be honest it was such a bad miss you have to include it

The free header was from a left wing cross 1st half which he was about 10 yards out and headed well wide.

The one he sliced wide was 2nd half when he was played in from the left, granted it would have had to be an excellent finish to score but the fact he put it so far wide was poor.

I don't want to come across as a Barnes hater as I'm not, and until recently he has deserved to play. But the last 3 or 4 games he has played in I don't think he has offered much and been the main culprit in regards to missing very clear cut chances. Maybe he is feeling the pressure and could do with some time out

 

[Acker79]

Yeah but that doesn't count the air shot does it ?

All Barnes chances were also convertible ... Two of Orlandi's were great shots from distance one of which hit the bar although he should have buried the soft shot in the 2nd half

If it doesn't include his air shot, it won't include cms stumbling over the ball that came through to him after barnes' air shot, either.

 

[blockhseagull]

If it doesn't include his air shot, it won't include cms stumbling over the ball that came through to him after barnes' air shot, either.

I'm NOT defending CMS so I don't know why you keep referring to him.

My point is Barnes was shit yesterday and was shit last week so needs dropping as he is missing the most chances. You seem to be unable to accept that and need to say 'oh but CMS did this and this as well'

 

[Acker79]

I'm NOT defending CMS so I don't know why you keep referring to him.

My point is Barnes was shit yesterday and was shit last week so needs dropping as he is missing the most chances. You seem to be unable to accept that and need to say 'oh but CMS did this and this as well'

I haven't really been constantly referring to CMS,nor accused you of defending him.

My point was that lots of our players had lots of chances to score and they all failed, so the blame for our failure to extend our lead is shared throughout the team.

You claimed Barnes missed most, I'm pointing out the stats don't support that, they show CMS having the most, and if you try to add on to Barnes for the air shot, you have to add on to CMS too because he was in a similar position and failed to get the ball under control or do anything with it.

 

[Magic Sponge]

Not knocking Barnes but it obviously wasn't his day but I think Gus should have seen this and brought Dobbie or Hoskins on sooner.
It wouldn't have hurt to take CMS off earlier either.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I blame the ravenous bug blatter beast of traal.

 

[blockhseagull]

I haven't really been constantly referring to CMS,nor accused you of defending him.

My point was that lots of our players had lots of chances to score and they all failed, so the blame for our failure to extend our lead is shared throughout the team.

You claimed Barnes missed most, I'm pointing out the stats don't support that, they show CMS having the most, and if you try to add on to Barnes for the air shot, you have to add on to CMS too because he was in a similar position and failed to get the ball under control or do anything with it.

He did miss the most CLEAR chances I'm afraid, the pen which was poor and the follow up that were woeful.

The stats show the TOTAL shots, now if you are going to compare Orlandi having two great shots from distance one of which went narrowly wide and the other which hit the post then you are plain wrong.

You have used stats to make it look like Barnes was equally guilty when the quality of his chances show how bad he was.

Like I said CMS and Orlandi both had a chance which they should have buried and CMS should have done better when Barnes had an airshot but Barnes was far the worst culprit yesterday and no amount of stats can prove otherwise

 

[withdeanwombat]

I blame the ravenous bug blatter beast of traal.

No,I was at Annan v Clyde.