Poyet explores loan striker option?

[Zebedee]

I was struck by the sentence on the back of today's Argus (linked below), where Gus is quoted as saying that:

“It’s very easy to go and try to convince one player to come here and give us a lift up front, so it depends on the players"

If this is the case, why have we done nothing to date to secure an additional striker? We've known for absolutely ages that we need one. The mind boggles.

Poyet explores loan striker option From The Argus)

 

[Simster]

I was struck by the sentence in today's back page Argus article on the club (linked below), where Gus is quoted as saying that:

“It’s very easy to go and try to convince one player to come here and give us a lift up front, so it depends on the players"

If this is the case, why have we done nothing to date to secure a striker? We've known for absolutely ages that we need one. The mind boggles.
Poyet explores loan striker option From The Argus)

I don't think that's very fair. We've 3 bad results in the past 4 games, and our main striker was injured for 3 of those games. We were top of the league before then.

 

[pornomagboy]

About bloody time but I have a feeling it could be a little late

 

[Icy Gull]

Not convinced that Poyet ever really wanted to go down the route of signing an old fashioned nasty aggressive target man. It seems he accepts that his hand is now being forced as the strikers we have have come well short, given the number of times we get the ball into the box with pretty well ZERO end product.

It could, of course, be that he has been holding out for a top premier League quality forward, as he did with the defence as his loan signing target men strikers over the last two seasons have been pretty shit and not fitted in at all

A Jason Roberts short term type may be what he has to settle for. Where is John Carew playing now?

 

[Icy Gull]

About bloody time but I have a feeling it could be a little late

It's been very frustrating but it's hardly too late, we're not even at the end of October yet.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

About time. It's very frustrating watching us stick ball after ball into the box and no one EVER getting on the end of it.

 

[Giraffe]

It's been very frustrating but it's hardly too late, we're not even at the end of October yet.

And just four points off the top. People need to get a sense of proportion.

 

[somerset]

I don't think that's very fair. We've 3 bad results in the past 4 games, and our main striker was injured for 3 of those games. We were top of the league before then.

.... agreed, and if he gives Dobbie the free support striker role he had when he was firing on all cylinders at other clubs, then CMS wont have to rely on makeweights to give him help up top, I cant at the moment understand why you get a player in who made his name in a free role, then put him on the bench or play him as an out and out striker...... get it sorted Gus for gods sake.

 

[BLOCK F]

I don't think that's very fair. We've 3 bad results in the past 4 games, and our main striker was injured for 3 of those games. We were top of the league before then.

Fair comment,but if he does get someone in, let us hope it proves more fruitful than our previous loanee striker experiences have been.

 

[marshy68]

Not convinced that Poyet ever really wanted to go down the route of signing an old fashioned nasty aggressive target man. It seems he accepts that his hand is now being forced as the strikers we have have come well short, given the number of times we get the ball into the box with pretty well ZERO end product.

It could, of course, be that he has been holding out for a top premier League quality forward, as he did with the defence as his loan signing target men strikers over the last two seasons have been pretty shit and not fitted in at all

A Jason Roberts short term type may be what he has to settle for. Where is John Carew playing now?

I completely agree - we are never going to play 442 with a big striker up front - best i can see is a loan striker coming and that will not play alongside CMS but be a better plan B than we currently have - if we actually have a plan B. Jason Roberts would have been the answer for sure. Not sure he is playing for Reading at the moment could be wrong......

 

[Simster]

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

 

[Gritt23]

While I think the squad does still lack that striker who will put fear into defences at this level, I really didn't think that was the problem Saturday. We just didn't move the ball around fast enough, and the movement off the ball was non-existant at times.

Passing it is great, and I love the passing style Gus has brought, but we do need to do it at a better pace than Saturday to open teams up.

 

[Icy Gull]

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

Do you really think our headers on target from corners and crosses is OK?? I struggle to think when we last tested a keeper with headers from these positions.

I'd like to think Dobbie will come good but apart from that dazzling run he hasn't really threatened in the three games I've seen. This could of course be a confidence/fitness thing as he does look very skilful. I'm questioning his turn of pace and desire at the moment though..and he is not a nasty aggressive handful in the box, we need that alternative imo.

 

[El Sid]

.... agreed, and if he gives Dobbie the free support striker role he had when he was firing on all cylinders at other clubs, then CMS wont have to rely on makeweights to give him help up top, I cant at the moment understand why you get a player in who made his name in a free role, then put him on the bench or play him as an out and out striker...... get it sorted Gus for gods sake.

Spot on - I was hoping Dobbie and CMS would start together against Middlesborough. Instead we start a home game with a packed midfield, no wingers and Barnes at some sort of left-half position. CMS then gets accused of being the headless chicken.

 

[marshy68]

.... agreed, and if he gives Dobbie the free support striker role he had when he was firing on all cylinders at other clubs, then CMS wont have to rely on makeweights to give him help up top, I cant at the moment understand why you get a player in who made his name in a free role, then put him on the bench or play him as an out and out striker...... get it sorted Gus for gods sake.

I was surprized Dobbie didnt start - he does look quality demonstrated by his mazey run - needs a goal and some game time.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

totally agree re dobbie...he just needs one in off his backside and i am sure he will come good...unfortunately for some he doesnt do enough chasing lost causes ..its not part of his game

 

[LamieRobertson]

I was surprized Dobbie didnt start - he does look quality demonstrated by his mazey run - needs a goal and some game time.

if its the one i was thinking about ...would have been a lovely goal..ruined only by a tame shot at the end

 

[8ace]

Having another option is never a bad thing.

 

[marshy68]

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

I agree the way we play we need to move the ball with pace - (EG sheff wed) - if we dont then we are easy to play against - have the ball in your own half and then put 8/9 men behind the ball. Birmingham, Ipswich and boro all did the same thing. We need buckley to start as he does move the ball with pace. Was dissappointed with Hammonds and Crofts - thought crofts would try to drive the midfield forwards but it never happened.

 

[Simster]

Do you really think our headers on target from corners and crosses is OK??

I really don't give a shit how we score as long as we start scoring again. We quickly built a goal diff of +9 and it wasn't off the back of a 6 foot 3 target man nodding in from crosses. Buckley and KLL tend to whip them in low and hard and always have done.

Ultimately, it boils down to whether we really believe we need to fundamentally change the way we're playing because of 3 crap results. I say "no". We should have beaten Boro at a canter in the end, as with Birmingham. I think we'll sort it out without signing Billy Paynter or Sam Vokes (and ultimately that is the sort of player we would be able to afford) because we're not scoring enough headers.