Couple held after burglars shot

[Brighton TID]

Does anybody else just feel so utterly angered by this or does anyone actually have any sympathy for the burglars.
This country is really, really crap sometimes.

 

[Kumquat]

I feel sympathy for the burglars. They just want what rich people like this family have. Not the guns probably though.

 

[Bob!]

Is this Tony Martin all over again ?

 

[Brighton TID]

I feel sympathy for the burglars. They just want what rich people like this family have. Not the guns probably though.

Ru serious or on the wind?

 

[Brighton TID]

Is this Tony Martin all over again ?

I think it may be similar

 

[Kumquat]

Ru serious or on the wind?

Serious. Just takes a bit of thought.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

Don't know the full details of this incident but do feel strongly that you should be able to defend your family and property without fear of prosecution, subject to the 'reasonable force' argument. If the bad guys/girls are prepared to threaten serious violence within your property then they should accept the consequences. I guess it will be for a court to decide if using guns was reasonable force in the circumstances.

Sensitive issue in these parts with memories of the Tony Martin case still evoke quite strong feelings. Many punters have firearms licences and you would be naive or desperate to carry out an aggravated burglary without some chance that the property owner will resort to using firearms.

I can understand how strongly even the most innocent and placid types can get pushed into extreme action - I lost a lot of my faith in the Police down South several years ago when we suffered a burglary and the Police told us they knew who it was because there was a series of copycat crimes and were known to nasty local scumbags but PC Plod 'couldn't do anything about it'. Shortly after the bad guys came back to our property twice and once we caught one of them in our back garden. I flew at the bad guy who retreated but then he started to get violent. I was pretty lean and mean back then even so the bad guy was built like a brick outhouse. Mrs SoC called the Plod who eventually arrived but not until matey had done a runner, they spoke to the bad guy at his home (we gave an excellent description as his ethnicity and other obvious features made him easy to ID). But guess what - I was the one who got cautioned for threatening him, even though he was on my property!

Just to add to the feeling of injustice the same mob did several other properties locally not long after this and several of the householders were so peed off by the lack of police action that matey who used to brazenly wander around as if untouchable was cornered one day and ('allegedly') warned off that he might not like a one-way trip to Beachy Head.

 

[Brighton TID]

Serious. Just takes a bit of thought.

Ok I see what you did there with the fishing rod

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

Not sure of the details but I think shooting someone is a lot worse than robbing someone

Hence, they were both in the wrong. I don't believe you should be able to take the law in to your own hands unless you feel threatened for your life...

 

[Brighton TID]

Not sure of the details but I think shooting someone is a lot worse than robbing someone

Hence, they were both in the wrong. I don't believe you should be able to take the law in to your own hands unless you feel threatened for your life...

This is totally the wrong answer and for some reason makes me want to smash my head against the brick wall over there.

 

[Lady Gull]

I'm not sure I could shoot anyone!!! but if someone entered my property and I thought were going to harm me or my kids - I'd do whatever it takes to try and stop them?

 

[Kumquat]

Ok I see what you did there with the fishing rod

Really? I thought you were using the fishing rod? Or just a privileged background is it? Be grateful you didn't have their childhood.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

This is totally the wrong answer and for some reason makes me want to smash my head against the brick wall over there.

Errr, please elaborate how you can't see that shooting someone is wrong, just like robbing someone is wrong?

 

[Brighton TID]

Don't know the full details of this incident but do feel strongly that you should be able to defend your family and property without fear of prosecution, subject to the 'reasonable force' argument. If the bad guys/girls are prepared to threaten serious violence within your property then they should accept the consequences. I guess it will be for a court to decide if using guns was reasonable force in the circumstances.

Sensitive issue in these parts with memories of the Tony Martin case still evoke quite strong feelings. Many punters have firearms licences and you would be naive or desperate to carry out an aggravated burglary without some chance that the property owner will resort to using firearms.

I can understand how strongly even the most innocent and placid types can get pushed into extreme action - I lost a lot of my faith in the Police down South several years ago when we suffered a burglary and the Police told us they knew who it was because there was a series of copycat crimes and were known to nasty local scumbags but PC Plod 'couldn't do anything about it'. Shortly after the bad guys came back to our property twice and once we caught one of them in our back garden. I flew at the bad guy who retreated but then he started to get violent. I was pretty lean and mean back then even so the bad guy was built like a brick outhouse. Mrs SoC called the Plod who eventually arrived but not until matey had done a runner, they spoke to the bad guy at his home (we gave an excellent description as his ethnicity and other obvious features made him easy to ID). But guess what - I was the one who got cautioned for threatening him, even though he was on my property!

Just to add to the feeling of injustice the same mob did several other properties locally not long after this and several of the householders were so peed off by the lack of police action that matey who used to brazenly wander around as if untouchable was cornered one day and ('allegedly') warned off that he might not like a one-way trip to Beachy Head.

I wonder how common this problem actually is, when innocent people are failed by the police and/or justice system

 

[Brighton TID]

Errr, please elaborate how you can't see that shooting someone is wrong, just like robbing someone is wrong?

Shooting someone is wrong. Shooting burglars breaking into your home is ok.
No burgling = no shots fired. Stay at home and nobody breaks the law.

 

[beorhthelm]

its should be expected that if you shoot someone, you would be questioned by the police to acertain the circumstances. let not run away with emotive knee jerk reaction untill we know what is happening with the police investigate. to not allow that to be concluded really would be a failing of the police and justice system.

 

[SeagullSongs]

I think that if you enter someone's property with the intent to steal their belongings or do them harm then you should lost many of your rights.
If we got burgled, I wouldn't think twice about smacking him with a cricket bat if it wasn't for the likelihood that I'd be the one who gets done for it.

 

[Brighton TID]

Really? I thought you were using the fishing rod? Or just a privileged background is it? Be grateful you didn't have their childhood.

Be grateful I didn't have their childhood? Are you saying that it is ok for under privileged kids to rob? I dont think a kid has to be rich to have morals. Maybe I am wrong?

 

[Kumquat]

Be grateful I didn't have their childhood? Are you saying that it is ok for under privileged kids to rob? I dont think a kid has to be rich to have morals. Maybe I am wrong?

Not ok. A reason. Do you get that?

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

I think that if you enter someone's property with the intent to steal their belongings or do them harm then you should lost many of your rights.
If we got burgled, I wouldn't think twice about smacking him with a cricket bat if it wasn't for the likelihood that I'd be the one who gets done for it.

There's a big difference between giving somebody a good hiding and shooting them!