Gully's Girls

[Ninja Elephant]

I'm all for girls supporting football clubs, it's not at all purely a male sport anymore. I was watching the England women's team earlier on and the quality is fantastic now. My only question, Jo, is whether or not cheerleading degrades girls' involvement in football? Might be opening a can of worms, but I think girls absolutely should be involved in football, and should be supporting their local clubs. But it should be about football, in my opinion, and I'm not convinced seeing a group of young ladies dancing in the centre circle before the match is constructive for young girls, or sends out the right message about girls in football.

That's just my opinion though. My best friend happens to be female, and she also happens to be a season ticket holder at her local club. If I can find a Brighton supporting equivalent of her, I'll be most happy.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Women are better at dancing than men, generally. Would you rather we had a troup of gents gyrating before the game?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Women are better at dancing than men, generally. Would you rather we had a troup of gents gyrating before the game?

I'm going to say no.

Personally, I don't see the need for anyone to dance before the game. It's a football match.

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

Thats fair enough.. there always is.. especially these days a thin line between all of that.. but with quite alot of us girls at Gullys girls, if i could play football then i absolutly would but its just something i have never been good at.. where as dancing is, pretty much all of us at GG are massive Brighton fans so to have the honour of supporting my team in a way in which i can is great.. I can see your point, but like i said i teach everyday in schools and teach cheerleading under the club name... we focus mainly on getting behind the team and we have boys and girls in our classes who are equally as good as each other.. its a chance for those fans that arnt into playing football but love the team to get involved differently.

I was asked a few days ago my opinion about other styles of cheerleaders for example the owlettes etc.. as much as i applaud them for having the self confidence to do things that way us at gullys girls strive to keep what we do as something that is appropriate for a family surrounding, which i why i do not like it when peopel suggest that we are ruining the work that woman did to fight for our rights before us. Yes we were skirts and act like girly girls but dosnt mean that we dont appreciate what these woman did. I am not suggesting that we are not aware that gullys girls plays to a large male audience but please do not take us on face value and stereotype us.. as for alot fo girls in the troupe and taught by the troupe we work on building confidence and spreading the word about the football club.

We expect that not everyone will like us.. because of corse you cannot please everyone but we work very hard to make sure we do not offend anyone and or innapropriately.

I hope that answered your questions and im sorry for the essay but comments are starting to get completly out of hand. If people want to ask questions than feel very welcome to PM me on here and i will gladly answer them but can we make a new rule that nasty comments are left off of threads please.. the girls do read them as you are aware and i dont want them to have to hear them, they work really hard and its a real blow to them to hear these things so please send them to me.

Many Thanks
Jo

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

Women are better at dancing than men, generally. Would you rather we had a troup of gents gyrating before the game?

no way, boys and girls are deffinatly evenly matched.. you just have to see lua lua's backflip to see that!!!!

 

[Southwick_Seagull]

Don't think has been any abuse on this thread (there has been on others however) only a bit of debate. I've always said for me personally, it's not needed, i'm there to watch the football and don't need any other entertainment to keep me occupied. However for younger fans I can imagine it's a nice addition to the matchday, there isn't threads saying "Why is Gully there? We don't need a man in a suit" etc, it's for the kids and to keep their attention before kick off. Why they don't move the dance to infront of the family stand I don't know, I think they would love it, and to be honest everyone around me during the routine is not there/getting food/eating/reading the programme/chatting about the game and is kind of lost on most in the South Stand.

 

[seagullsdaz]

Gully's Girls are brilliant!!!

I hope they dance at Falmer cos the sound system there will be a 100 times better then it is at The Withers

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I'm going to say no.

Personally, I don't see the need for anyone to dance before the game. It's a football match.

It's a bit of fun. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is no feminism issue and no-one is forcing GG's to dance.

No swearing. No standing. No dancing. No gesticulating. Football would be a dull affair.

I seem to remember that you were quite a fan of Gully's Girls. You often comment on them when a thread appears.

I seem to remember that you referred to one of them as your 'girlie'.

It would have to be a competition to meet Gullys Girls to win me over.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

no way, boys and girls are deffinatly evenly matched.. you just have to see lua lua's backflip to see that!!!!

Ah yes. True. I reckon LuaLua could make some shapes on the dancefloor.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Thats fair enough.. there always is.. especially these days a thin line between all of that.. but with quite alot of us girls at Gullys girls, if i could play football then i absolutly would but its just something i have never been good at.. where as dancing is, pretty much all of us at GG are massive Brighton fans so to have the honour of supporting my team in a way in which i can is great.. I can see your point, but like i said i teach everyday in schools and teach cheerleading under the club name... we focus mainly on getting behind the team and we have boys and girls in our classes who are equally as good as each other.. its a chance for those fans that arnt into playing football but love the team to get involved differently.

I was asked a few days ago my opinion about other styles of cheerleaders for example the owlettes etc.. as much as i applaud them for having the self confidence to do things that way us at gullys girls strive to keep what we do as something that is appropriate for a family surrounding, which i why i do not like it when peopel suggest that we are ruining the work that woman did to fight for our rights before us. Yes we were skirts and act like girly girls but dosnt mean that we dont appreciate what these woman did. I am not suggesting that we are not aware that gullys girls plays to a large male audience but please do not take us on face value and stereotype us.. as for alot fo girls in the troupe and taught by the troupe we work on building confidence and spreading the word about the football club.

We expect that not everyone will like us.. because of corse you cannot please everyone but we work very hard to make sure we do not offend anyone and or innapropriately.

I hope that answered your questions and im sorry for the essay but comments are starting to get completly out of hand. If people want to ask questions than feel very welcome to PM me on here and i will gladly answer them but can we make a new rule that nasty comments are left off of threads please.. the girls do read them as you are aware and i dont want them to have to hear them, they work really hard and its a real blow to them to hear these things so please send them to me.

Many Thanks
Jo

Jo, you are quite clearly a credit to our football club. Ultimately, everyone is going to have a different point of view and a different perspective. All that really matters is how you, and the other girls feel. Some of the comments on here might seem negative to you, but all feedback is good feedback. And if you're going to be posting on this site, and performing in front of the Withdean crowds in general, you've got to expect the positive aswell as the negative. Without question, there is more positive than negative on here.

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

Ah yes. True. I reckon LuaLua could make some shapes on the dancefloor.

Wonder if he could do the moonwalk as good as Baz Savage! x

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Jo, you are quite clearly a credit to our football club. Ultimately, everyone is going to have a different point of view and a different perspective. All that really matters is how you, and the other girls feel. Some of the comments on here might seem negative to you, but all feedback is good feedback. And if you're going to be posting on this site, and performing in front of the Withdean crowds in general, you've got to expect the positive aswell as the negative. Without question, there is more positive than negative on here.

I am sure she realised that. But good of you to point it out.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

It's a bit of fun. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is no feminism issue and no-one is forcing GG's to dance.

No swearing. No standing. No dancing. No gesticulating. Football would be a dull affair.

I seem to remember that you were quite a fan of Gully's Girls. You often comment on them when a thread appears.

I seem to remember that you referred to one of them as your 'girlie'.

I didn't say there was a feminism issue.

Of course I like Gully's Girls. I'm a 23 year old male, what's not to like. That quote was quite a while ago, as you'll know having tracked it down. The girl I was referring to, sadly, is no longer a part of Gullys Girls.


And I don't understand quoting my previous post, which had nothing to do with you, to put a patronising comment. I was being sincere.

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

Jo, you are quite clearly a credit to our football club. Ultimately, everyone is going to have a different point of view and a different perspective. All that really matters is how you, and the other girls feel. Some of the comments on here might seem negative to you, but all feedback is good feedback. And if you're going to be posting on this site, and performing in front of the Withdean crowds in general, you've got to expect the positive aswell as the negative. Without question, there is more positive than negative on here.

I know hun, and thankyou.. i just cant help taking it personally.. i really care about the club and especially the girls.. but im learning to try take it on the chin! easier said than done 'ey! xx

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

Which why it makes me laugh when people jump to the conclusion of the above "socially-constructed gender stereotype" comments..

i'm not sure how that is 'jumping to conclusions'. t's a conclusion that can be drawn to any display like this. there is a strong correlation between the prevalence of strip clubs and the levels of domestic violence. this is unsurprising. if women are viewed as objects (as they are in strip clubs), attitudes of violence toward them can be more easily tolerated. now, what you do obviously isn't stripping, but it's the thin end of the same wedge. if you were engaging in only an artful performance you wouldn't wear short skirts.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the most important thing about getting a new stadium - having a new generation of supporters to improve attendances? Argue all you want about the amount of people it will bring in - at the end of the day it's not doing any harm, and I for one wish them the best of luck!

Oh, and knowing Jo personally, I'd like to request that mods delete any unneccessary abuse

by the same token, get in a black and white minstrel troupe for half time to appeal to our more 'traditional' supporters. i'm afraid that argument doesn't work.

but i would agree that any offensive posts should be deleted.

My only question, Jo, is whether or not cheerleading degrades girls' involvement in football? Might be opening a can of worms, but I think girls absolutely should be involved in football, and should be supporting their local clubs. But it should be about football, in my opinion, and I'm not convinced seeing a group of young ladies dancing in the centre circle before the match is constructive for young girls, or sends out the right message about girls in football.

of course you're right here, ninja. and the most worrying thing is - even if the gully's girls themselves cannot see the damage they are doing, it does not stop the message they are sending to impressionable young girl fans, who are shown that by getting a bit of flesh out you can attract the attention of thousands of men. i agree, that it should be - for both men and women - all about the football.

pretty much all of us at GG are massive Brighton fans so to have the honour of supporting my team in a way in which i can is great..

i do not like it when peopel suggest that we are ruining the work that woman did to fight for our rights before us. Yes we were skirts and act like girly girls but dosnt mean that we dont appreciate what these woman did. I am not suggesting that we are not aware that gullys girls plays to a large male audience but please do not take us on face value and stereotype us..

fine. then do what everyone else does to 'support' the club and turn up to games, buy the shirts, etc. etc. your argument would have more credence if there were any boys parading in your group. but as has been said, no-one wants to see that.

feminists fight for equal rights between men and women. this includes the right to be free from objectification. i don't doubt that this is not your aim, but i'm afraid you undermine this effort.

It's a bit of fun. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is no feminism issue and no-one is forcing GG's to dance.

bof, you're being very naive there. (almost) no-one forces hookers to go whoring, but you know full well that's not the point.

"the greatest enemy of freedom is a happy slave."

TiD-out.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

bof, you're being very naive there. (almost) no-one forces hookers to go whoring, but you know full well that's not the point.

"the greatest enemy of freedom is a happy slave."

TiD-out.

I don't think selling sexual favours to 'survive or fund a drug habit or being forced to (as you pointed out with your 'almost') is comparable to dancing for free at a football match.

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

wel TID if you feel that strongly can i suggest that you need to keep these opinions also off of the threads and you need to contact the club about that, no your not throwing insults as some have but it is directed at the girls in the same way and in my opinion (as you have had yours) i think it is inapropriate so please can you send your thoughts to the club if it is bothering you that much.. this thread was opened by someone who was saying that they enjoyed the dance so lets just leave it to what it was inteded please people, if you all want to have a debate about strippers and "feminist issues" etc can we do it in a seperate thread so that my girls are dragged into it.

im not trying to argue with anyone or say one person is right but its getting all too out of hand so if we wanna debate about it please can we move it away from here.. thats all i ask

thanks

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

I don't think selling sexual favours to 'survive or fund a drug habit or being forced to (as you pointed out with your 'almost') is comparable to dancing for free at a football match.

plenty of prostitutes (especially the ones i like) do not go a-whoring to fund a drug habit or continue to pay rent for a shitty crack den, but do so because they can make more money in an evening doing that than they could in a month doing something else. and they tell themselves that the idiot men who pay for their services are the real victims.

my point is that both parties are volunteers in these industries, but both are unknowing victims of their own acts.

but it's getting a bit late. good night, sir.

 

[PutYourHandsUp...]

please can i go to sleep now! im so tired!!!!!

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Removed because Jo is right! (see above)