Well, they’ll have to do a mighty good job if that is to happen.
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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...or the tories remain the toxic brand they are at present.
HalfaSeatOn
Well-known member
These are Thatchers children and are not shy or ashamed, just a belief there is no such thing as society.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
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Rishi does tend to repeat phrases from the Tory playbook in a very predictable way, whether they are applicable or not. A lot of the time it's like having a robot as P.M. His plan plainly isn't working as we have just go into recession, inflation has stopped falling and Tory voters are staying at home or turning to Reform.Yes - I was also wondering which taxes exactly are 'coming down'? Does anyone know?
Fact check: Sunak’s ‘tax cut’ claims
Rishi Sunak seems to have a New Year’s resolution: to claim that taxes are falling and say it so often that people start to believe him rather than their own lying payslip. He says that the last Budget was the biggest tax-cutting event since the 1980s, etc. He tells today’s Sunday Telegraph that...www.spectator.co.uk
His defence of Israel immediately after the horrific 07 Oct attacks was a response from the pre-9/11 era, was far too generous to Israel and too dismissive of the Palestinian people, and gave Netanyahu carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. I fail to see what he brings to the party.
That would require electoral reform (PR) which Starmer is opposed to, sadly - which means that the Tories will probably be back in 5 or 10 years time, even more Right-wing, nasty, toxic, and 'Trumpian', and possible led by Nigel Farage*
* Faraj is the Malaysian word for female genitalia
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clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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They are snookered.
Not by Labour but the aftermath of the "populism" of Johnson. That weird (but quite liberal for a Tory) who went for the red wall Brexit vote and let in their fruit loop ERG fringe.
If they lurch further to the right to see off Reform they will lose their traditional voters who won't bother to turn up.
If they return to the centre they'll lose those who have voted for reform.
All they have left is to try and convince voters that Starmer is more scary than them. Evidence suggests it isn't working.
Not by Labour but the aftermath of the "populism" of Johnson. That weird (but quite liberal for a Tory) who went for the red wall Brexit vote and let in their fruit loop ERG fringe.
If they lurch further to the right to see off Reform they will lose their traditional voters who won't bother to turn up.
If they return to the centre they'll lose those who have voted for reform.
All they have left is to try and convince voters that Starmer is more scary than them. Evidence suggests it isn't working.
And that is why Starmer is being deliberately bland and low key.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,466
Now this going to annoy some people, but if you were advising the Conservative party what strategic changes would you suggest to close the polls with Labour ?
Put allegiances to one side.
Put allegiances to one side.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
All the metrics are down for party politics and electoral turnouts. And that's because the electoral-representative regime is acting against the demos, and the demos sense it. They haven't worked out what to do about it, and perhaps never will, but it's a very prevalent phenomenon.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
No idea what you're asking.
It might be about what the Cons can do in these circumstances. If you want a cogent answer, then listen to what Henry Hill says on tonight's C4 News or, if you prefer, read what he says on conservativehome. Katy Balls is worth paying attention to too.
Kalimantan Gull
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adopt sensible policies that appeal to the centre ground. Abandon rwanda, the war on the war on motorists, drill baby drill, all the red meat stuff that is appealing to the right but turning off the middle-ground, and instead deal with these real issues in a pragmatic, grown-up, responsible manner.
Still won't win but will narrow the polls.
I agree with you.Unfortunately, the only way of ensuring a similar cabal don't take over one of the two parties and get absolute power again is by changing the voting system, and I don't think that's going to happen
It won't.
I think we need a bit of alliteration as well:More importantly, where is:
TOTAL NOISE TERROR
FUN WITH DRUGS
FUTILE NAZI BASTARD
and
ELVIS IS DEAD
?Eh? EH?
MAKING MATES MONEY
or maybe simply
STUFF THE POOR
Elect Penny Mordaunt as leader - the one that Labour fear and the only Tory with a positive approval rating among voters. I'm not sure she'd win but would greatly reduce the Labour majority and possible lead to a hung parliament.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I’m not so sure he has a positive approval rating. She’s definitely a proven liar.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
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Her younger brother hasn't done her any favours.
I agree but it poses an interesting question: If there is a desire of the people (remembering democracy literally means 'people rule') for constitutional change but the constitution has created a monopoly of power for only two parties that have an overriding self interest to prevent change, how can the will of the people ever be implemented? Demonstrations are possible of course, but again it is in the interests of the ruling party (Lab or Cons) to ignore them and they can.Unfortunately, the only way of ensuring a similar cabal don't take over one of the two parties and get absolute power again is by changing the voting system, and I don't think that's going to happen
Do we turn to the King (which opens up another set of constitutional issues), civil unrest (thankfully not in the British DNA when it comes to politics and is surely not want anyone wants) or do we simply accept that our 'great democracy' is a sham and not much better than the bogus democracies in countries like Russia?