[News] The Southdown & Eridge Hunt's traditional boxing day meet has been stymied

[shingle]

So to be clear, there's a choice between an inclusive family event that will be held in aid of local foodbanks, and a non-inclusive event (to participate must own horses, guns, dogs, a barbour jacket & vote for the tories) in which some wildlife may get ripped to shreds. Some of the latter group may also bring their families.

And despite this, the OP has started a thread in support of the latter event being held on this timeslot?

I'm sure most posters will be able to make up their own mind without too much difficult

I have

So to be clear, there's a choice between an inclusive family event that will be held in aid of local foodbanks, and a non-inclusive event (to participate must own horses, guns, dogs, a barbour jacket & vote for the tories) in which some wildlife may get ripped to shreds. Some of the latter group may also bring their families.

And despite this, the OP has started a thread in support of the latter event being held on this timeslot?

I'm sure most posters will be able to make up their own mind without too much difficulty.

Its not an inclusive family event as it doesnt include the hunt. ok Im being flippant, but I have already had to go back to my original post to highlight my position on this, anti fox hunting, anti cruelty to animals, but unfortunately the terminally thick and their thumbsuppers cant be bothered to read it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

This is what Lewes has now.

The poleitical representation on Lewes District Council is:
Green - 17 councillors
Liberal Democrats - 15 councillors
Labour - 9 councillors

Not a single Tory....reckon this lot are about as anti Hunt as you can get.

My opinion which no doubt will not go down well with most NSC ers. Is the Hunt meeting at Christmas is a spectacle and a tradition I would like to continue.
Also I prefer the supporters of the hunt (not the Hunters) to most (and again not all) of the Saboteurs

I'm a great traditionalist myself. We really should keep up the traditions of earthing up dens prior to the hunt, digging the foxcubs out of dens to throw alive to young hounds, putting down thousands of perfectly healthy hounds each year because they don't have that 'killer instinct', and dragging the remains of torn apart foxes across adolescent's faces in the almost forgotten art of 'blooding'.

I am prepared to bet that I have far more experience of foxhunts than yourself, but it's well worth it, when you see the Scarlet Hunt Coats. Brings a tear to the eye

 

[Guinness Boy]

You asked about people, in general. He specified NSCers only. All NSCers are people, of course, but all people (and there's a lot of them!) aren't NSCers (and their views do not always concur with the concensus on NSC!)

No shit, Sherlock.

 

[Wardy's twin]

This is what Lewes has now.

The political representation on Lewes District Council is:
Green - 17 councillors
Liberal Democrats - 15 councillors
Labour - 9 councillors

Not a single Tory....reckon this lot are about as anti Hunt as you can get.

My opinion which no doubt will not go down well with most NSC ers. Is the Hunt meeting at Christmas is a spectacle and a tradition I would like to continue.
Also I prefer the supporters of the hunt (not the Hunters) to most (and again not all) of the Saboteurs

how many saboteurs do you know?

 

[Wardy's twin]

Yes it is banned - that’s why they use a scent - usually from a cub they’ve dug out of a den.
But of course, the hounds don’t differentiate the scent from a dead cub or a live adult. So when they catch up with the live adult, it doesn’t last long
I suppose you could argue it isn’t tortured - but then running for your life from a pack of hounds can’t be a lot of fun really and the pain will only last for a few seconds so hey ho.

Hope the wheelbarrow race runs over a couple of these gentle folk.

Very little evidence of scent tails being put down... e.g. recent episodes where hounds were killed on main A roads and on rail tracks....

 

[GT49er]

No shit, Sherlock.

No shit at all................

 

[Diablo]

I love this story and hope it actually happens, I might even take myself the Lewis for wheelbarrow racing on Boxing Day.

As for the claim that they follow a scented trail, why don’t they use cheese as the scent, or chocolate, or garlic, or anything other than the scent of a freshly slaughtered fox cub? If They’re giving the hounds dead fox as a scent to follow, then why not the scent of garlic and onions? The reason is because they are, to a man and woman, scum of the earth, lowest of the low, mostly chinless Tory ****s who deserve to rot in a pit.

BTW, I live in the country, I own guns (clay pigeon), I don’t mind a ride on a horse, I have a Barbour jacket and Aigle wellies. I don’t now, and never have, felt the need to be a sick murderous piece of excrement.

Oh dear !!
If travelling by car don`t put Lewis into satnav unless you want 700 mile journey.

 

[Whitechapel]

Do you really believe you "must own horses, guns, dogs, a barbour jacket & vote for the tories"

I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just whipping up argument.

My last post on the matter.

Oh dear !!
If travelling by car don`t put Lewis into satnav unless you want 700 mile journey.

Well, I suppose 2 hours is nearly the same as forever.

 

[Diablo]

Well, I suppose 2 hours is nearly the same as forever.

Happy to help someone mixing Lewes with Lewis.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Just for clarity - there is a ban on fox hunting in the uk BUT it is widely ignored by a lot of the hunts.

They see themselves above the law , especially a law voted in by left wing Blairites and townies who don't have a clue about the countryside.

The reality is they enjoy killing , be it foxes , badgers, pheasants you name it they will want to kill it especially if it threatens their beloved shooting activities.

Red fox numbers are down in the countryside

There was also a comment about saboteurs. There area lot of people who spend time countering fox hunts and they come in all shapes , sizes and ages. They are not all saboteurs there are organisations of 'monitors' who basically record activity but don't generally get involved in countering the hunts although one member had his neck broken when he was attacked and left for dead. He was an ex Policeman.

There is also a lot of discussion about class, Most of the activity is driven top down i.e. from landed and monied people but 'working class' agricultural workers are involved on a day to day basis often referred to as 'terrier men' and the are employed to do the 'dirty' work. They are told their livelihoods are under threat and react accordingly.

IMO there is no place for hunting with dogs just to satiate blood lust.

 

[ROSM]

Oh dear !!
If travelling by car don`t put Lewis into satnav unless you want 700 mile journey.

I win my bet. This is easier than the early kick off

 

[jcdenton08]

Bloody fox hunts go on forever these days, don’t you find? Start off in Berkshire, end up in, er, Twatshire!

 

[Zeberdi]

You asked about people, in general. He specified NSCers only. All NSCers are people, of course, but all people (and there's a lot of them!) aren't NSCers (and their views do not always concur with the concensus on NSC!)

I get the impression that NSC has a left leaning membership (at least that’s what is expressed by the majority of vocal members) - I think it is pretty likely based on opinion polls that the majority of the British electorate are pro-Labour.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-polls

I also get the impression based on the responses on this thread, that the majority of NSCers are anti-blood sport. An overwhelming majority of the British electorate are anti-blood sports and in fact, would even support a strengthening of the Hunting Act to remove the loopholes currently being exploited by Hunts to kill fox cubs and any other foxes that ‘cross their path‘ in the course of trailing an artificially laid scent.

More Support for Those Who Strengthen the Hunting Act

New polling shows that, nationally, almost 8/10 British people agree the Hunting Act should be strengthened.

www.league.org.uk

The suggestion that NSCers might be an anomaly in the wider context of the current public thinking and therefore the majority of POVs being put forward by NSCers are really minority views in the Country as a whole, doesn’t really wash imo.

 

[Husty]

I have

Its not an inclusive family event as it doesnt include the hunt. ok Im being flippant, but I have already had to go back to my original post to highlight my position on this, anti fox hunting, anti cruelty to animals, but unfortunately the terminally thick and their thumbsuppers cant be bothered to read it.

Also anti-raising money for foodbanks?

 

[Husty]

Do you really believe you "must own horses, guns, dogs, a barbour jacket & vote for the tories"

I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just whipping up argument.

My last post on the matter.

Does that not almost perfectly describe virtually every member of a foxhunting group up and down the tory?

And you think I'm the idiot?

 

[Diablo]

I win my bet. This is easier than the early kick off

Not so... helping a person who doesn`t know his Lewes from his Lewis is nothing to do with the Hunt/Wheelbarrow matter, which I now read but am not going to comment on. How much do you owe me ??

 

[Zeberdi]

Most of the activity is driven top down i.e. from landed and monied people but 'working class' agricultural workers are involved on a day to day basis often referred to as 'terrier men' and the are employed to do the 'dirty' work. They

Just to be clear, that ‘dirty work’ which I had the misfortune to witness several times in the past, involves pushing terriers into a fox hole, where the terrier grabs a cub - the fox terrier is then dragged out by his back legs with a young cub screaming in agony in the terrier‘s jaws while the rest of the ‘hunt’ circle the den to ensure none of the others from the den escape. This still goes on to provide fresh blood for the trail hunt. It is brutal. The gameskeepers/terrier workers were often the worse.

 

[ROSM]

Not so... helping a person who doesn`t know his Lewes from his Lewis is nothing to do with the Hunt/Wheelbarrow matter, which I now read but am not going to comment on. How much do you owe me ??

You couldn't resist to comment. Its like fox hunters just can't resist killing things in the most barbaric way possible.

 

[Cotton Socks]

I don't like it when I see a dog chasing a squirrel. For people to train an animal to 'hunt and kill' is pretty sick in my view. I'm not too keen on Pheasant shooting etc but at least the dog is trained 'not' to harm it. The fact that the animal is already dead is neither here nor there. When my dog was very young we used to walk him near a place where shoots were held & they had a clay pigeon bit there as well. Someone offered to train him for shoots as they could see how non-reactive he was to the sound of guns & that he'd find a tennis ball that I'd accidentally thrown somewhere random easily just by the smell. I declined their offer as I assumed they'd wanted to borrow him for shoots. I don't understand how people get enjoyment from seeing (and training) an animal hurt another animal.
@Diablo what do you think if you hear about a dog chasing a sheep & the sheep dying basically through fear or accidentally aborting it's young?

 

[The Oldman]

Just to be clear, that ‘dirty work’ which I had the misfortune to witness several times in the past, involves pushing terriers into a fox hole, where the terrier grabs a cub - the fox terrier is then dragged out by his back legs with a young cub screaming in agony in the terrier‘s jaws while the rest of the ‘hunt’ circle the den to ensure none of the others from the den escape. This still goes on to provide fresh blood for the trail hunt. It is brutal. The gameskeepers/terrier workers were often the worse.

I do not disagree with your comments but as I said in an earlier post if you have ever seen rat hunting with dogs where rats are screaming in agony with broken backs after dogs have half killed them where do you draw the line? Foxes lovely and cuddly, rats vermin. Animal cruelty is is the same whatever the species. Yet my guess is not many would support being kind to rats.