[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

It's a fair point and is probably the reason why so many Brexit voters are now supporting all the striking workers

And more good news on the Brexit front

Kemi Badenoch criticises 'fake conversation' of Brexit damage as UK-Italy trade partnership signed​

She was talking after signing a new "trade partnership" with Italy - the first with a European nation post-Brexit. The deal makes no change to the UK and Italy's key trading regulations - from tariffs and quotas to customs rules - but she said it would help improve trade between the nations.

https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-bad...as-uk-italy-trade-partnership-signed-12806110

Of course the new "Trade Partnership" changes absolutely nothing of any significance on account of they are in the EU and we're not. Do they really think that we are so stupid that we wouldn't understand this and would fall for this bullshit ................ oh

FFS Kemi, the only "fake" conservation is pretending for your have some kind of trade partnership with an individual country in the EU 27.

The self imposed economic sanctions remain between the UK and its biggest trading block. Just a desperate attempt at gaslighting the public, they never give up.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

A dividend?

If you want a benefit of Brexit, here it is: British employers must now innovate again | Larry Elliott

Our economic model relied on a bottomless supply of cheap workers. Firms must now invest to boost productivity, says Larry Elliott, the Guardian’s economics editor

www.theguardian.com

It's pretty obvious that the contributors to this thread in recent months are Remoaners, as am I, and will therefore answer no to the dividend question. The effects of Brexit, however, were never going to be all in one direction. Larry Elliott is, for me at least, an astute communicator of economics, and has been behind the Brexit project. To add, more broadly, Singapore-on-Thames is yet to emerge, although I suspect the clamour for it to be implemented will increase in c18 months.

This obviously isn't a brexit benefit.

So the gist of the article is that now it's hard to get staff, firms will have to invest in equipment to improve productivity. Well, if we were in the EU, there's nothing to stop firms getting the staff they need and investing in productivity.

Also this investment in productivity can’t be going to that well if the staff shortages have now been going on for years and national growth is still among the lowest (ie in minus figures) in the civilised world.

 

[Simster]

That comment is based upon the hope for consistency in politics, which doesn't exist. Leave succeeded because it included a coalition involving not just workers in, for example, the 'Red Wall', but also proponents of Singapore-on-Thames and no doubt other motivations.
Leave succeeded because it made all sorts of promises to all sorts of constituencies, whereas Remain couldn't do that, because Remain entailed something 'concrete', familiar, etc. Which is another way of saying that there wasn't a simple binary on that particular ballot sheet that so many claim: Remain meant one option, Leave meant multiple options.
The one person culpable for that is Cameron. There is one party culpable for that. That party has riden the crest of the Brexit wave for a long time, but now that it's Brexit that is 'concrete', familiar, it might just get its comeuppance. We can but hope.

I am taking heart from the fact that some influential people are now criticizing Labour for behaving like Brexit can be swept under the carpet for the best part of the last 2 years. It can't. It needs to be reeled in. That means rejoining the SM soon, and for the sake of NI, the CU as well.

Re-joiners are swelling in numbers, are not going away and want an alternative to a truly terrible Conservative party, a weak and feeble Lib Dem and a strong but separatist SNP. If Labour don't appease re-joiners who now make up the vast majority of the British people, then they will see this reflected in the ballot box. Scots will continue to vote SNP, England and Wales will see their votes diluted in all manner of ways resulting in a much smaller majority.

 

[Machiavelli]

I am taking heart from the fact that some influential people are now criticizing Labour for behaving like Brexit can be swept under the carpet for the best part of the last 2 years. It can't. It needs to be reeled in. That means rejoining the SM soon, and for the sake of NI, the CU as well.

Re-joiners are swelling in numbers, are not going away and want an alternative to a truly terrible Conservative party, a weak and feeble Lib Dem and a strong but separatist SNP. If Labour don't appease re-joiners who now make up the vast majority of the British people, then they will see this reflected in the ballot box. Scots will continue to vote SNP, England and Wales will see their votes diluted in all manner of ways resulting in a much smaller majority.

Starmer has many things that he needs to be bold on. How shall we put this, being bold is not his natural inclination. He will have to prioritise what to be bold on. I'd be happy if it were the energy independence by 2030 plan. All he needs to do is to not rock the boat, and he'll get the keys to 10 Downing St in 18 months. U-turning on SM and CU prior to that might be too much of a rock of the boat. Next term/manifesto is a different story though. Then, he might even have to think about a few major constitutional issues (eg voting system) too. I'm sure there will be multiple 'events, dear boy, events' that will need to be confronted in the next parliament too.

 

[Simster]

Starmer has many things that he needs to be bold on. How shall we put this, being bold is not his natural inclination. He will have to prioritise what to be bold on. I'd be happy if it were the energy independence by 2030 plan. All he needs to do is to not rock the boat, and he'll get the keys to 10 Downing St in 18 months. U-turning on SM and CU prior to that might be too much of a rock of the boat. Next term/manifesto is a different story though. Then, he might even have to think about a few major constitutional issues (eg voting system) too. I'm sure there will be multiple 'events, dear boy, events' that will need to be confronted in the next parliament too.

Nothing to disagree with there. I guess my conclusion is that Brexit will be a major issue at the next election and I wouldn't be that surprised to see that it forces Labour's hand if the polls show an alarming slide away from a thumping Labour majority.

Luckily for Labour, Reform UK are doing an excellent job as a counterweight by attracting all manner of Tory sympathising gammon morons who are fine with billions being wasted/stolen through corruption and incompetence, but get beetroot angry at a few hundred dingys.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Nothing to disagree with there. I guess my conclusion is that Brexit will be a major issue at the next election and I wouldn't be that surprised to see that it forces Labour's hand if the polls show an alarming slide away from a thumping Labour majority.

Luckily for Labour, Reform UK are doing an excellent job as a counterweight by attracting all manner of Tory sympathising gammon morons who are fine with billions being wasted/stolen through corruption and incompetence, but get beetroot angry at a few hundred dingys.

Timely

Brexit caused small boats crisis in English Channel, report finds​

“The government used to have a deal on returning migrants, but it ended with Brexit and no alternative was agreed,” said study author Professor Thom Brooks. “This made it far more difficult to return any new arrivals, and numbers have skyrocketed after this deal stopped.”

There were no recorded small boat crossings until 2018, and migration levels remained steady until the Brexit transition period ended in 2020, the study found. The academics claim that the Tory government was repeatedly warned about the need for a returns policy, with Prof Brooks saying he predicted as far back as 2016 that migration numbers would rise steeply without one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sh-channel-migrants-small-boats-b2277505.html

Shirley nobody could be that stupid could they

 

[CHAPPERS]

I see the ban on imported foie gras and fur isn’t going ahead, another supposed benefit that was pushed during the campaign and beyond.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I see the ban on imported foie gras and fur isn’t going ahead, another supposed benefit that was pushed during the campaign and beyond.

Just another lie swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible and then used repeatedly on this thread

 

[Machiavelli]

Timely

Brexit caused small boats crisis in English Channel, report finds​

“The government used to have a deal on returning migrants, but it ended with Brexit and no alternative was agreed,” said study author Professor Thom Brooks. “This made it far more difficult to return any new arrivals, and numbers have skyrocketed after this deal stopped.”

There were no recorded small boat crossings until 2018, and migration levels remained steady until the Brexit transition period ended in 2020, the study found. The academics claim that the Tory government was repeatedly warned about the need for a returns policy, with Prof Brooks saying he predicted as far back as 2016 that migration numbers would rise steeply without one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sh-channel-migrants-small-boats-b2277505.html

Shirley nobody could be that stupid could they

Look on the bright side, it does offer Brexiteers something to fixate upon now we're out the EU

 

[nicko31]

I am taking heart from the fact that some influential people are now criticizing Labour for behaving like Brexit can be swept under the carpet for the best part of the last 2 years. It can't. It needs to be reeled in. That means rejoining the SM soon, and for the sake of NI, the CU as well.

Re-joiners are swelling in numbers, are not going away and want an alternative to a truly terrible Conservative party, a weak and feeble Lib Dem and a strong but separatist SNP. If Labour don't appease re-joiners who now make up the vast majority of the British people, then they will see this reflected in the ballot box. Scots will continue to vote SNP, England and Wales will see their votes diluted in all manner of ways resulting in a much smaller majority.

I actually support Labour's position as things stand, they have to get in power before they can do anything. The country is falling apart, they just have to stop the rot first.

As for Lib Dems they need to be braver and at least adocate CU membership, there's very little tolerance for Brexit in their target seats

Brexit is starting to get discussed again, its long been a taboo subject, its been the elephant in the room for while.

As voting demographics change there will come a day when being strongly in favour of a closer relationship with Europe will be broadly a vote winner, but we're not there yet. Who knows what next, if the Tories get obliterated they may have to reinvent themselves, I wouldn't rule that out in the medium term.

 

[zefarelly]

No be


No better than Sunak saying he will sort out the mess the economy is in. Yes!!! The mess you created.

Have these people forgotten they did all this damage THEMSELVES!!!!!!!

Its like shitting in your own garden, wiping your arse with your sleeve, then blowing our nose on it . . . Or something similarly horrible

 

[Fungus]

Just another lie swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible and then used repeatedly on this thread

Gullible people being force fed nonsense about foie gras? Oh, the irony.

 

[Fungus]

Its like shitting in your own garden, wiping your arse with your sleeve, then blowing our nose on it . . . Or something similarly horrible

And then changing your trousers.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Its like shitting in your own garden, wiping your arse with your sleeve, then blowing our nose on it . . . Or something similarly horrible

And then asking who was responsible for putting shit on your face

 

[Wokeworrier]

Starting with the positives ... good to see at least one of the more radicalised contributors on this thread (Well done Mr zero!) finally acknowledging that halting the endless supply of cheap EU Labour has at least some Brexit-related benefits ... a point I have made previously.

Another positive .. although the BritishVolt story had nothing to do with Brexit I'm sure we are all pleased with this news ..

Plans for an electric battery gigafactory in the UK have been revived after an Australian business struck a deal to buy collapsed Britishvolt.

Recharge Industries, which has operations in Geelong and New York, has been chosen as the preferred bidder for the company and plans to revive its goal of building a battery factory in the North East.

Australian electric battery maker buys Britishvolt out of administration

UK gigafactory will become 'reality' after Recharge buys up collapsed company's assets

www.telegraph.co.uk

Finally, on a more negative note, it's disappointing but unsurprising to see a Labour-supporting 'academic' make inaccurate claims about migrant boat crossings.

The migrant boat crossings 'began to skyrocket' while we were still subject to the Dublin convention and the chances of migrants being returned when we were in the EU were vanishingly small anyway, so the idea this was acting as any significant deterrent for desperate people or criminal gangs is laughable. Whereas improved security at the channel tunnel/increased lorry checks combined with French and UK Gov incompetence as the gangs changed their tactics seem a more likely cause.

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

 

[WATFORD zero]

Starting with the positives ... good to see at least one of the more radicalised contributors on this thread (Well done Mr zero!) finally acknowledging that halting the endless supply of cheap EU Labour has at least some Brexit-related benefits ... a point I have made previously.

Another positive .. although the BritishVolt story had nothing to do with Brexit I'm sure we are all pleased with this news ..

Plans for an electric battery gigafactory in the UK have been revived after an Australian business struck a deal to buy collapsed Britishvolt.

Recharge Industries, which has operations in Geelong and New York, has been chosen as the preferred bidder for the company and plans to revive its goal of building a battery factory in the North East.

Australian electric battery maker buys Britishvolt out of administration

UK gigafactory will become 'reality' after Recharge buys up collapsed company's assets

www.telegraph.co.uk

I haven't a lot of time as I'm off to dinner but BritishVolt

Brexit to blame for collapse of electric car battery company Britishvolt, Tory grandee William Hague says​

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/b...t-electric-car-collapse-william-hague-2092428

Finally, on a more negative note, it's disappointing but unsurprising to see a Labour-supporting 'academic' make inaccurate claims about migrant boat crossings.

The migrant boat crossings 'began to skyrocket' while we were still subject to the Dublin convention and the chances of migrants being returned when we were in the EU were vanishingly small anyway, so the idea this was acting as any significant deterrent for desperate people or criminal gangs is laughable. Whereas improved security at the channel tunnel/increased lorry checks combined with French and UK Gov incompetence as the gangs changed their tactics seem a more likely cause.

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

And, as for channel crossings

Maybe ask your dad @Steve Foster what all his accounts think before you post

But I'm off for dinner

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[nicko31]

5 years ago...

Concern for AstraZeneca staff after Brexit 'bolt from the blue'

Company boss says no more UK investment until future with the EU is properly sorted

www.cheshire-live.co.uk

Today, sorry Macclesfield. Talk to your red wall MP ..

AstraZeneca snubs UK over its 'discouraging' taxes

AstraZeneca criticised the high cost of doing business in the UK, saying 'discouraging' taxes were why it was building a plant in Ireland and not here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Wokeworrier]

I haven't a lot of time as I'm off to dinner but BritishVolt

Brexit to blame for collapse of electric car battery company Britishvolt, Tory grandee William Hague says​

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/b...t-electric-car-collapse-william-hague-2092428

And, as for channel crossings

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Maybe ask your dad @Steve Foster what all his accounts think

But I'm off for dinner

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I assume you keep posting the same link about William Hague giving his speculative opinion on BritishVolt because you view it as solid 'evidence' that Brexit was the cause ... Then again, If you are both right, perhaps you could explain why so many companies were still interested in investing in that site .... did Brexit disappear?

Teesside lithium factory could supply rescued Britishvolt plant

Tees Valley Lithium is in talks with Recharge Industries, the Australian firm which has just acquired Britishvolt plant in Northumberland

www.gazettelive.co.uk

Thanks for posting that graphic showing Channel boat crossings did begin to rise significantly when we were operating under the Dublin agreement still in the EU (we left in 2020). Gangs divert the flow of migrants to where most profit can be made *shock*.

I hope you enjoyed your dinner.

 

[Wokeworrier]

5 years ago...

Concern for AstraZeneca staff after Brexit 'bolt from the blue'

Company boss says no more UK investment until future with the EU is properly sorted

www.cheshire-live.co.uk

Today, sorry Macclesfield. Talk to your red wall MP ..

AstraZeneca snubs UK over its 'discouraging' taxes

AstraZeneca criticised the high cost of doing business in the UK, saying 'discouraging' taxes were why it was building a plant in Ireland and not here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What about 2 years ago?

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/articles/2021/prime-minister-boris-johnson-celebrates-astrazenecas-investment-in-advanced-medicines-manufacturing-during-macclesfield-campus-visit.html