[Albion] Ian Chapman vs Bruno

[One Teddy Maybank]

Partly my point, Glenn left because the Albion/Poyet* wouldn't pay him, allegedly £15,000 a week, but Palace at that time were prepared to.

The modern day footballer is an employee, the same as a train driver, bin man or a nurse.


* Yet Poyet was prepared to pay CMS the same amount!

The have a duty to their families to earn the best living they can.

26 years ago, it was slighlty different in Chappers era,

Agree,

But without knowing Bruno’s personal circumstances, I would suggest he has done very well from football, to the point where salary is less of an issue, hence the whole frustration around his departure.

For Chapman it was a different world…..

 

[Swansman]

Agree,

But without knowing Bruno’s personal circumstances, I would suggest he has done very well from football, to the point where salary is less of an issue, hence the whole frustration around his departure.

For Chapman it was a different world…..

It is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2Cjw7kydI

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I largely agree (and I love Bruno), but as time wears on we’re likely to remember him more fondly.

It’s the Once a seagull……. That grates with me.

Why? He can be 'a seagull' without being employed by the club. I'm baffled by people who think by saying those words he'd signed up to BHAFC for life (like some kind of monk) or that there is a specific way that he SHOULD have left the club.

'Man leaves job for a better job' isn't a story. Especially when seemingly everyone is speculating – and concluding the worst – about WHY he left.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

clearly his behaviour, albeit it partly justified, as he's an employee and his first loyalty is to his family and his bank balance, tells me that he clearly is not an 'Albion Legend'.

I'd suggest asking the young Spanish-speaking players at the club, the people at Albion in the Community and the staff at Chestnut Tree House, how they feel Bruno deserves to be remembered here.

The bloke did a huge amount more for the club and the local area than the bits he was paid a salary for. To write off his time here in this manner (as 'just an employee') is harsh, and entirely unnecessary.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Why? He can be 'a seagull' without being employed by the club. I'm baffled by people who think by saying those words he'd signed up to BHAFC for life (like some kind of monk) or that there is a specific way that he SHOULD have left the club.

'Man leaves job for a better job' isn't a story. Especially when seemingly everyone is speculating – and concluding the worst – about WHY he left.

My understanding, is that Bruno sees himself as a manager down the line, but not at all ready for such a role. He feels he is learning a huge amount from Potter, and wanted to stay with him, to continue to do so.

Which really doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Why? He can be 'a seagull' without being employed by the club. I'm baffled by people who think by saying those words he'd signed up to BHAFC for life (like some kind of monk) or that there is a specific way that he SHOULD have left the club.

'Man leaves job for a better job' isn't a story. Especially when seemingly everyone is speculating – and concluding the worst – about WHY he left.

Then we are polar opposites on this.

Cheap words.

Regarding money, depends what your motivation is, particularly if you’ve already done very well.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

My understanding, is that Bruno sees himself as a manager down the line, but not at all ready for such a role. He feels he is learning a huge amount from Potter, and wanted to stay with him, to continue to do so.

Which really doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

Narrowing down his education I would suggest, learning from different approaches and perspectives, would make him better prepared to lead. He’s had 3 years of GP.

Obviously, he feels different.

 

[Swansman]

Why? He can be 'a seagull' without being employed by the club. I'm baffled by people who think by saying those words he'd signed up to BHAFC for life (like some kind of monk) or that there is a specific way that he SHOULD have left the club.

'Man leaves job for a better job' isn't a story. Especially when seemingly everyone is speculating – and concluding the worst – about WHY he left.

Indeed.

Plenty of people here - who could probably utter those same words - at some point or another moved abroad, probably often for career reasons, thus probably missing most of the games. Most of those who made that decision probably had the option to pick another career choice allowing them to stay with the club.

 

[durrington gull]

Possibly more for the JCL’s and the younger fans (although we were all once JCL’s by the very nature of watching the club for the first time)

Ian Russell Chapman born 31/5/70 in Brighton General Hospital.

As a schoolboy selected to go to the FA’s School of Excellence and at 16 in Feb 87 became the first graduate to play in the Football League and the youngest ever Brighton debutant.

281 appearances 14 goals, not forgetting The Saint and Greavsie Own Goal of the Season vs Leeds in 1990 (sorry Chappers)

After discovering he’d been released by the Albion in 1996 after hearing it on the Southern FM 11am news ( yes we really did treat staff that badly back then) he had two offers on the table, one from Gillingham and a better one from Crystal Palace.

He opted for the Gills telling me at the Gulls Eye dinner in 1997, “I’m a Woodingdean boy, I’d have to look at myself in the mirror every morning”

So might say misplaced loyalty, but a degree of loyalty to a club whose then regime had treated him like a dog.

So if we are looking for Albion legends on here, maybe look a little bit closer to home?

Deffo mate - excellent points made and in my mind a true legend

 

[BadFish]

Won the Premier League under me in an early incantation of Championship Manager. The only player to survive from the first season.

Will always be a legend in my eyes

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Indeed.

Plenty of people here - who could probably utter those same words - at some point or another moved abroad, probably often for career reasons, thus probably missing most of the games. Most of those who made that decision probably had the option to pick another career choice allowing them to stay with the club.

I believe the vast majority of NSCers are very much ‘Life supporters’ and would not flirt with another team, regardless of location.

Appreciate, that might be alien to you, as you follow an individual, but equally, surely there’s a part of you that is now blue and white, and a seagull (and I’m not talking Chelsea)?

 

[Swansman]

I believe the vast majority of NSCers are very much ‘Life supporters’ and would not flirt with another team, regardless of location.

Appreciate, that might be alien to you, as you follow an individual, but equally, surely there’s a part of you that is now blue and white, and a seagull (and I’m not talking Chelsea)?

But many of them would leave the club (= not go to games) if offered a lucrative job from a distance where they can't go to games. Why are they choosing their careers over Brighton, when it is apparently unacceptable?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

But many of them would leave the club (= not go to games) if offered a lucrative job from a distance where they can't go to games. Why are they choosing their careers over Brighton, when it is apparently unacceptable?

Because games are accessible, and they haven’t already earned circa £1m plus already?

Plus they are not going to start supporting anyone else….

You didn’t answer my question about your allegiance

 

[Swansman]

Because games are accessible, and they haven’t already earned circa £1m plus already?

Plus they are not going to start supporting anyone else….

You didn’t answer my question about your allegiance

I thought money wasn't an acceptable factor to measure in?

Working for another club also doesn't mean they're going to be supporters of that new club. I think there are some players in Brighton who have their hearts elsewhere and a some players in big clubs that have their hearts in smaller ones. But effectively they have other factors that play into their life when making career decisions... similar to how fans might move to Spain, Portugal or Taiwan despite that taking them far from their favorite club.

Money is relative. If you earn £10k a year, you might think "if I had £100k a year I wouldn't want £200k". If you earn a £100k you might think "if I had £500k a year I wouldnt need £1m a year" and so on, since your lifestyle, projects and ambitions usually develop along with the money you earn. For example if you give a £100 per month to charities and feel good doing that, you might think "if I had more money I could give more". Or live bigger. Or save not only for your kids but your grandkids and their kids as well.

As for my allegience... If Brighton played Bournemouth tomorrow and Chelsea played whoever they're playing at the exact same time, I would watch Brighton. Not saying it will necessarily remain like that but I'm a football fan first and foremost, I love the sport and if Brighton would appoint Sean Dyche and start playing with 9 defenders hoofballing it to two strong guys up front... I'd turn my back. I'm not from your surroundings, my feelings are not unconditional.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Blah blah, a "Potter and Bruno leaving" thread. Blah blah, "players should be more loyal" ... blah blah, "if you were offered a pay rise you'd change job" ... blah blah

In terms on comparing the two players on the pitch. I couldn't imagine two more different styles of full back

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I thought money wasn't an acceptable factor to measure in?

Working for another club also doesn't mean they're going to be supporters of that new club. I think there are some players in Brighton who have their hearts elsewhere and a some players in big clubs that have their hearts in smaller ones. But effectively they have other factors that play into their life when making career decisions... similar to how fans might move to Spain, Portugal or Taiwan despite that taking them far from their favorite club.

Money is relative. If you earn £10k a year, you might think "if I had £100k a year I wouldn't want £200k". If you earn a £100k you might think "if I had £500k a year I wouldnt need £1m a year" and so on, since your lifestyle, projects and ambitions usually develop along with the money you earn. For example if you give a £100 per month to charities and feel good doing that, you might think "if I had more money I could give more". Or live bigger. Or save not only for your kids but your grandkids and their kids as well.

As for my allegience... If Brighton played Bournemouth tomorrow and Chelsea played whoever they're playing at the exact same time, I would watch Brighton. Not saying it will necessarily remain like that but I'm a football fan first and foremost, I love the sport and if Brighton would appoint Sean Dyche and start playing with 9 defenders hoofballing it to two strong guys up front... I'd turn my back. I'm not from your surroundings, my feelings are not unconditional.

Money is always a factor, because there is an argument of greed….. why wouldn’t it be.

And yes, things are all relative, but that can only be applied so far IMO.

Re your support. Absolutely, fair enough, but that is also the problem, you don’t get it…… (not a criticism).

 

[Lenny Rider]

Blah blah, a "Potter and Bruno leaving" thread. Blah blah, "players should be more loyal" ... blah blah, "if you were offered a pay rise you'd change job" ... blah blah

In terms on comparing the two players on the pitch. I couldn't imagine two more different styles of full back

You're missing the point old fruit, with the top end of football polluted with money, I don't expect loyalty, its a job and if someone's going to pay you more good luck to you.

We all have been to a degree blinded by the Amex era and the aforementioned pollution of the beautiful game, Bruno was a great player, did right by the Albion when employed, but clearly in hindsight not an Albion legend, or at least an legend in the traditional sense.

 

[Swansman]

Money is always a factor, because there is an argument of greed….. why wouldn’t it be.

And yes, things are all relative, but that can only be applied so far IMO.

Re your support. Absolutely, fair enough, but that is also the problem, you don’t get it…… (not a criticism).

People who always think that a wish to make more money is the equivalent of greed reveal quite a lot about themselves. They are thinking about big TVs, fancy cars and that whole bollocks.

Personally I've always wanted to have a lot of money because it could be endlessly useful to help people around me (while yes, of course living a decent life myself). I'm not the only thinking like that. Is that greed? If so, I'm greedy.

The last part... thank you, I've heard that over and over again when people (not you) are trying to justify why they're acting like complete wankers in one regard or another. "The reason your complaining about someone putting up hateful messages about another human on a restaurant door is because you dont get it!!!!!!!!"

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

People who always think that a wish to make more money is the equivalent of greed reveal quite a lot about themselves. They are thinking about big TVs, fancy cars and that whole bollocks.

Personally I've always wanted to have a lot of money because it could be endlessly useful to help people around me (while yes, of course living a decent life myself). I'm not the only thinking like that. Is that greed? If so, I'm greedy.

The last part... thank you, I've heard that over and over again when people (not you) are trying to justify why they're acting like complete wankers in one regard or another. "The reason your complaining about someone putting up hateful messages about another human on a restaurant door is because you dont get it!!!!!!!!"

There is no justification for the messages in reality.

I prefer to stick with profound disappointment in Bruno, and leave it at that.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

You're missing the point old fruit, with the top end of football polluted with money, I don't expect loyalty, its a job and if someone's going to pay you more good luck to you.

We all have been to a degree blinded by the Amex era and the aforementioned pollution of the beautiful game, Bruno was a great player, did right by the Albion when employed, but clearly in hindsight not an Albion legend, or at least an legend in the traditional sense.

OK. Maybe you’re right. But the fella has had two murals painted of him in the city centre. Which from memory is two more than Ian Chapman, Peter Ward, Mark Lawrenson and Bobby Zamora combined.

He must have engendered some of the emotional connection needed to become a legend. Which I think is a big part of the reason why this last week has been so difficult