[Football] Women feeling unsafe at football matches

[Guinness Boy]

Your own contributions to this thread clearly reflect the level of seriousness to which you treat the issue.

C'est le whole point, mon brave.

 

[Cotton Socks]

Well I've voted for 'More female prominent pre-match music' just in the hope that @crodonilson or anyone for that matter can tell me what 'female prominent' music is to be honest.
Are we saying......

This...

Could adjust the Adele song to a chant for a player we don't want to leave tbh!

 

[Zeberdi]

Or is it this?

 

[ozzygull]

Well I've voted for 'More female prominent pre-match music' just in the hope that @crodonilson or anyone for that matter can tell me what 'female prominent' music is to be honest.
Are we saying......

This...

Could adjust the Adele song to a chant for a player we don't want to leave tbh!

I was thinking this



or this

 

[Zeberdi]

C'est le whole point, mon brave.

The issue being that some women have said they feel unsafe at football matches, some have experienced sexism, unwanted physical attention and sexist chanting. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would think that was funny or it can be cancelled out by turning the issue into a source of amusement- unless they felt that they have behaved that way themselves and it’s somehow ok.

One in five women suffer unwanted physical attention at football matches, Football Supporters' Association survey finds

EFL spokesperson: It is disappointing to see so many female supporters being subject to inappropriate and unacceptable conduct from fellow fans.; FSA: There is no place whatsoever at football for sexist or misogynistic behaviour

www.skysports.com

 

[Bodian]

If you see idiots behaving like idiots, then call them out, or let a steward know. I have felt unsafe at games, especially one game at Selhurst, when Barnsey equalised near the end of the game. I was sitting near the front because I can't stand for a whole game now, alongside another pensioner, and stupid fools came running forward, kicking and breaking seats, and piling on top of us. Fortunately @Biscuit saw me and came to help me.

Don't give me any old rubbish about grassing people up. Look after your own fans including the women.

Crodo, get another hobby, you are starting to sink lower and lower.

The main issue in this is 'what on earth were you doing at a Palace v Barnsley match?!'

 

[Cotton Socks]

Add in this and ditch Adele and I think we've got our pre match play list!

Or is it this?

I was thinking this



or this

If all these songs aren't on the 'just before ko' pre-match play list on NYE I'm going to send a strongly worded email to PB about how I would've felt much safer if they had been played. One of those should be the tune the teams come out to!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The main issue in this is 'what on earth were you doing at a Palace v Barnsley match?!'

Read it again.

 

[Napper]

not really a thing is it. Unless its a new campaign to stop men being men.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

not really a thing is it. Unless its a new campaign to stop men being men.

No, it’s a campaign to encourage men to be real men. Don’t worry your little head about it.

 

[Bodian]

Read it again.

Oops!!

 

[wellquickwoody]

Thread should be about anyone feeling unsafe, or it becomes just another victim campaign for women. Sexism is wrong, illegal but also prevalent from both sides of the gender divide.

Should football be anymore sanitised than it already is? Not in my view or it risks becoming as dull as many other sports.

 

[Questions]

Definitely women only zones, corral them all together safety in numbers.................but where?

Behind the food and drink counters ?

What…..

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I’m not in any net thanks - Crodo‘s motives for starting the thread are a little beyond me but irrelevant- the poll is ridiculous even as an attempt at humour and so I stated.

However - Crodo inadvertently raised an important issue - that if some women are feeling unsafe in a football match environment (for whatever reason) or have experienced verbal abuse, sex discrimination or misogynistic behaviour of any sort, it’s a conversation that needs to be had - and, given this is a forum predominantly for football fans, then here is as good a place as any to have a conversation about that.

Your own contributions to this thread clearly reflect the level of seriousness to which you treat the issue.

Edit - just to repeat the point of my first post

2. The only thing that needs to be done to make women safer (and/or feel safer) is for the majority … to call out the minority if they see women being verbally abused or physically threatened. Same way as the majority should also be calling out racist behaviour and homophobia.

…and I’ll add to that, online bulling and trolling

Great post. Crodo wanted a thread taking the piss out of the idea of women’s safety at football matches. A few neanderthal misogynists have jumped in to play their part while other posters have used this thread to criticize his sexist thread starting in general as well as broader issues of the treatment of women. Of course it is a trolling thread but it also probably hasn’t gone the way he wanted as he does seem to be from another era.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

We're all from another era, we're all different ....... and so's my wife.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I know plenty of women who go to football and they've never told me they feel unsafe.

There‘s obviously comfort in their restraining orders and pepper spray.

 

[SussexCGull]

I usually attend the Amex with my father but on the odd occasion he has been unwell have attended alone. I have not felt threatened but perhaps that is due to the fact I sit in the library (East Upper) and the fans around me are a lovely welcoming lot.

 

[jackanada]

Yup, it does. The "1 in 4" usually quoted number is based on one flawed survey afaik. But regardless most murders and other severe attacks against women doesn't happen the way it is often portrayed in movies etc. Statistically speaking the unsafest place for a woman is to be home with her boyfriend/husband. Yet many fear to go out and do stuff or take a walk after dark, which is a result of blowing up the risks while failing to mention that 99.99% who takes a walk in a park or go to some event will come home unscathered.

I firmly believe that anyone who doesn't find the 1 in 4 statistic plausible may wish to consider why none of the women they know have ever felt comfortable enough to talk of such things.
I haven't always held that view so please no one take that as a jibe, but as a learning opportunity.

 

[Swansman]

I firmly believe that anyone who doesn't find the 1 in 4 statistic plausible may wish to consider why none of the women they know have ever felt comfortable enough to talk of such things.
I haven't always held that view so please no one take that as a jibe, but as a learning opportunity.

Ok, you're wrong though because I don't find the 1 in 4 "statistic" (which is a figure based on a very flawed survey from the 80s) plausible and still have had multiple deeply personal conversations with women where such things and other issues have been revealed.

Sexual aggression of different kinds is definitely a big (global) issue but exaggerations of that kind just unnecessary levels of fear and distrust among people.

 

[Cornwallboy]

There‘s obviously comfort in their restraining orders and pepper spray.

I don't know any women who have restraining orders, I tend to mix with decent people. Why did you say that?