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Woman cleared of dog attack killing
- Thread starter The Wookiee
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Brighton till i die
You havin' a bubble?
glad she only had the 10 joints while baby sitting! 
She was responsible for the child's welfare. She had 10 joints and necked two bottles of wine, then decided to invite a known to be dangerous dog in to play.
I can't imagine why anybody ever thought she had a case to answer.
I can't imagine why anybody ever thought she had a case to answer.
desprateseagull
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how on earth wasnt she at least guilty of not controlling a dangerous dog? aren't then meant to be muzzled when outside?
she will lhave the guilt of losing a grand daughter, not helped by being pissed and stupid.
she will lhave the guilt of losing a grand daughter, not helped by being pissed and stupid.
Shame that being an stupid selfish idiot isn't a crime...
bhaexpress
New member
You do wonder at times, so I take it this poor child's death was an Act of God ? Damn it's enough to make me a believer !
tip top
Kandidate
they found her 'not criminally negligent'
wtf? so smoking 10 joints is not a crime and letting in a dangerous dog to play with a small child on thier own is not negligent ffs
wtf? so smoking 10 joints is not a crime and letting in a dangerous dog to play with a small child on thier own is not negligent ffs
ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
I really dont understand how she got let off, leading to the death of her grandaughter by her negligence must be criminal negligence!!
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...n-not-guilty-of-manslaughter-100252-19770172/
Ellie Lawrenson's gran not guilty of manslaughter
Sep 11 2007 by Sarah Chapman, Liverpool Echo
THE grandmother of dog attack victim Ellie Lawrenson was acquitted of manslaughter today.
The jury of seven men and five women at Liverpool crown court found Jacqueline Lawrenson, 45, not guilty after a six-day trial.
Five-year-old Ellie was killed by her uncle Kiel Simpson’s pit bull terrier Reuben on New Year’s Eve after Ms Simpson, who had smoked 10 cannabis joints and drunk two bottles of wine, let it in.
Ellie, who was killed at the house in Knowles House Avenue, St Helens, had 72 injuries.
Ms Simpson wiped away tears as the foreman of the jury announced the verdict after almost six hours of deliberation.
The judge, Mr Justice Royce, discharged Ms Simpson from the dock and told the court: “This is an unusual case which had given rise to very strong emotions.
“Suffice to say, the greatest sentence that has been passed in this case is a life sentence of regret that this lady has passed on herself.”
Ellie’s father, Darren Lawrenson, 31, put his hands to his face and walked from the court as the verdict was passed.
The prosecution has announced that a further charge of possession of a small amount of heroin which Ms Simpson had pleaded not guilty to at an earlier hearing will not be proceeded with.
Afterwards Colin Davies, assistant district crown prosecutor for Merseyside, said: “The CPS brought this prosecution on the basis that Jacqueline Simpson owed a duty of care towards her granddaughter Ellie.
“We said that she breached that duty of care by letting the dog into her house, knowing that it was potentially dangerous and capable of killing a child.
“Furthermore, we said that her breach of that duty of care was such that a jury would consider it to be so gross that it amounted to a crime.
“There is no doubt – and it was accepted by the defence – that Jacqueline Simpson owed a duty of care towards her granddaughter.
“However, the jury by its verdict have accepted that, if there was a breach of her duty of care it was not such that it amounted to a crime.
“This prosecution cannot, of course, bring Ellie back, but when anyone is killed following an attack by a dog and where there is evidence of a criminal offence, the police will investigate and the CPS will prosecute.”
Assistant chief constable Helen King said: “ This was an extremely tragic incident which shocked people across the country. I would reassure our local communities that Merseyside police is continuing with its work to tackle the issue of dangerous dogs.
“We cannot allow Ellie Lawrenson to have died in vain. I would ask our communities to support the work we are doing to help prevent a child ever being killed or even harmed in this way again.”
Ellie Lawrenson's gran not guilty of manslaughter
Sep 11 2007 by Sarah Chapman, Liverpool Echo
THE grandmother of dog attack victim Ellie Lawrenson was acquitted of manslaughter today.
The jury of seven men and five women at Liverpool crown court found Jacqueline Lawrenson, 45, not guilty after a six-day trial.
Five-year-old Ellie was killed by her uncle Kiel Simpson’s pit bull terrier Reuben on New Year’s Eve after Ms Simpson, who had smoked 10 cannabis joints and drunk two bottles of wine, let it in.
Ellie, who was killed at the house in Knowles House Avenue, St Helens, had 72 injuries.
Ms Simpson wiped away tears as the foreman of the jury announced the verdict after almost six hours of deliberation.
The judge, Mr Justice Royce, discharged Ms Simpson from the dock and told the court: “This is an unusual case which had given rise to very strong emotions.
“Suffice to say, the greatest sentence that has been passed in this case is a life sentence of regret that this lady has passed on herself.”
Ellie’s father, Darren Lawrenson, 31, put his hands to his face and walked from the court as the verdict was passed.
The prosecution has announced that a further charge of possession of a small amount of heroin which Ms Simpson had pleaded not guilty to at an earlier hearing will not be proceeded with.
Afterwards Colin Davies, assistant district crown prosecutor for Merseyside, said: “The CPS brought this prosecution on the basis that Jacqueline Simpson owed a duty of care towards her granddaughter Ellie.
“We said that she breached that duty of care by letting the dog into her house, knowing that it was potentially dangerous and capable of killing a child.
“Furthermore, we said that her breach of that duty of care was such that a jury would consider it to be so gross that it amounted to a crime.
“There is no doubt – and it was accepted by the defence – that Jacqueline Simpson owed a duty of care towards her granddaughter.
“However, the jury by its verdict have accepted that, if there was a breach of her duty of care it was not such that it amounted to a crime.
“This prosecution cannot, of course, bring Ellie back, but when anyone is killed following an attack by a dog and where there is evidence of a criminal offence, the police will investigate and the CPS will prosecute.”
Assistant chief constable Helen King said: “ This was an extremely tragic incident which shocked people across the country. I would reassure our local communities that Merseyside police is continuing with its work to tackle the issue of dangerous dogs.
“We cannot allow Ellie Lawrenson to have died in vain. I would ask our communities to support the work we are doing to help prevent a child ever being killed or even harmed in this way again.”
A scouse jury will not find another scouser guilty, FACTAMUNDO
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
An absolute disgrace that she has been let off. It ridicultes the Labour (alleged) policy of zero tolerance towards crime. It was clear that the dog was a known threat and she chose to ignore that. Her direct actions led to the death of her Granddaughter.
The biggest favour the judge could do is order the sterilisation of this sort of scum. A dope smoking, binge drinking granny and pikey 'parents' with an illegal dog are not destined to boost the IQs in the gene pool.
The poor little girl never stood a chance.
The biggest favour the judge could do is order the sterilisation of this sort of scum. A dope smoking, binge drinking granny and pikey 'parents' with an illegal dog are not destined to boost the IQs in the gene pool.
The poor little girl never stood a chance.
An absolute disgrace that she has been let off. It ridicultes the Labour (alleged) policy of zero tolerance towards crime. It was clear that the dog was a known threat and she chose to ignore that. Her direct actions led to the death of her Granddaughter.
The biggest favour the judge could do is order the sterilisation of this sort of scum. A dope smoking, binge drinking granny and pikey 'parents' with an illegal dog are not destined to boost the IQs in the gene pool.
The poor little girl never stood a chance.
I agree with pretty much everything you say here BoF, but why the cheap shot at Labour? What has government policy got to do with anything? A hard line approach to sentencing is within their power to influence - the way a jury votes is not. That's the 'beauty' of the jury system, like it or not.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Sorry, I was cutting and pasting my answer about and I seem to have moved it and written over the part about the father. It was meant to run along the lines of how he only got 10 weeks for having an illegal animal, that ultimately cost the life of his daughter. There have been a large amount of these attacks and they will continue if there is not a hardline policy.
Ten weeks is effectively five weeks and I don't think that is much of a detterent to those who have an illegal dog.
I agree. 12 people agree on the evidence put in front of them despite our opinions.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
I understand that (although not necessarily the twelve in agreement)! It is still a disgrace that she will not serve any punishment for her actions and lack of care.
Fair enough. It was the uncle actually, and he got 8 weeks, but I agree with your sentiment.
She will, just not at the hands of the law.
The Clown of Pevensey Bay
Well-known member
What he said.
Also -- to be guilty of manslaughter gross negligence, you have to not just be negligent, you have to be GROSSLY negligent. This is actually a really hard thing to prove in court.
And Jacquie Simpson wasn't up on a charge of failing to control a dangerous dog -- because she didn't own the dog.