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What the Inspector's Report says about Alternative Sites



Inspector John Collyer’s conclusions about the alternative sites:-

Brighton Station. “The grant of permission for an alternative development presents a major obstacle in the way of securing this site for a new stadium. … If there were conclusive evidence that work on the permitted scheme was going ahead, I would accept that this site could not realistically be regarded as an available alternative for a stadium development”.

Greyhound Stadium. “I discount the Greyhound Stadium as a realistic alternative site”.

Shoreham Harbour. “In my judgement, to consolidate the stadium into the much larger regeneration project which the harbour strategy envisages is likely to be so complex, problematic and uncertain that this cannot be regarded as a realistic alternative”.

Sheepcote Valley. “This site has its disadvantages as well as advantages … whether it represents a realistic alternative to Falmer is essentially a question of balance”.

Toads Hole Valley. “In terms of social and economic impacts, I acknowledge that this site does not score too well in comparison with Falmer.”

Waterhall. “I conclude that the AONB policy objections are overwhelming and that this site cannot reasonably be regarded as a viable alternative location for the development of a stadium”.

Withdean Stadium. “The Applicants’ argument against the development of a new stadium on this site is essentially on the grounds of its inability to accommodate one of the capacity required. But this raises the question of why it is necessary to have a 22,000 capacity stadium”.


This is obviously a selective gathering of brief quotes from an eleven page section of Collyer’s Report. One strategy he seems to be throwing up for consideration is to expand Withdean as part of a long-term plan to move to Shoreham Harbour, if and when the much bigger, comprehensive redevelopment of the harbour site goes ahead. But he does say that this is "so complex, problematic and uncertain".

The only options for a permanent 22,000 seater stadium that are in Collyer’s mind are at Sheepcote Valley and Toads Hole Valley.
 
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Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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Lord Bracknell said:
This is obviously a selective gathering of brief quotes from an eleven page section of Collyer’s Report. One strategy he seems to be throwing up for consideration is to expand Withdean as part of a long-term plan to move to Shoreham Harbour, if and when the much bigger, comprehensive redevelopment of the harbour site goes ahead.


So basically we could go through the whol new inquiry, JP then says NO to Falmer and YES to a possible Withdean expansion and wait.....wait...wait....for a move to Shoreham Harbour.

yet ANOTHER spanner in the works, yes we may well get the stadium this way but not for donkeys years!

NSC.....Listen to me...WE HAVE NOT GOT FALMER...FACT!



(yet I hasten to add)
 


CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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Re: Re: What the Inspector's Report says about Alternative Sites

CrabtreeBHA said:
So basically we could go through the whol new inquiry, JP then says NO to Falmer and YES to a possible Withdean expansion and wait.....wait...wait....for a move to Shoreham Harbour.

yet ANOTHER spanner in the works, yes we may well get the stadium this way but not for donkeys years!

NSC.....Listen to me...WE HAVE NOT GOT FALMER...FACT!



(yet I hasten to add)

Marc - read the condtions set out in the letter. The Withdean to Shoreham argument is immediatly discounted.
 


Don't forget ... Prescott has REJECTED the major conclusion of Collyer's Report. He doesn't have to agree with anything that Collyer has said.

My point is that even Collyer throws out most of the alternative sites.

The resumed Public Inquiry will mainly focus on Sheepcote Valley and Toads Hole Valley.
 


Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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shame as a stadium there would RULE (for me anyway)

Either way i refuse to believe we have got even a possible Yes on Falmer, JP can can point us to a new site and we all go "yay!" then DK turns to us 1 year later and says "sorry we could'nt get the financial backing, the club is in ruins and no one wants to take over" - we all cry and BHA become extinct.....that is quite possibly a nightmarish outcome.
 




Marc

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Lord Bracknell said:
The resumed Public Inquiry will mainly focus on Sheepcote Valley and Toads Hole Valley.

do you know how much they would cost in relation to Falmer per chance?
Thats my new argument and it'd be nice to know if its a cheaper alternative IF it is deemed viable...and even if we say they cant whose to say the independant inquiry whatsit wont and tell JP that!
 








Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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well maybe I'm reading it all wrong but after todays emotions I dont even know if i'm awake or dreaming all of this, my heads brain hurts BIGTIME!
 


Paddy B

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Jul 5, 2003
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Hey Crabbers lets just say you have a glass of water on your desk and it is filled to halfway with water

is it half empty or half full?
 


Heffle Gull

JCL since 1979
Feb 5, 2004
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Heathfield
Lord Bracknell said:


Brighton Station. “The grant of permission for an alternative development presents a major obstacle in the way of securing this site for a new stadium. … If there were conclusive evidence that work on the permitted scheme was going ahead, I would accept that this site could not realistically be regarded as an available alternative for a stadium development”.


The Bulldozers have now moved in to the station site, and are leveling in in readiness for the new sainsburys as we speak.

So thats that one out of the way then
 






Seagull73

Sienna's Heaven
Jul 26, 2003
3,382
Not Lewes
Lord Bracknell said:
Don't forget ... Prescott has REJECTED the major conclusion of Collyer's Report. He doesn't have to agree with anything that Collyer has said.

My point is that even Collyer throws out most of the alternative sites.

The resumed Public Inquiry will mainly focus on Sheepcote Valley and Toads Hole Valley.

It also suggests that Withdean Stadium will come under question as well though doesn't it?

Also, how will the club answer the 22,000 capacity question? By simply saying about 30,000 at Cardiff, not a great argument
 


Scotty Mac

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Jul 13, 2003
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Re: Re: What the Inspector's Report says about Alternative Sites

CrabtreeBHA said:
So basically we could go through the whol new inquiry, JP then says NO to Falmer and YES to a possible Withdean expansion and wait.....wait...wait....for a move to Shoreham Harbour.

yet ANOTHER spanner in the works, yes we may well get the stadium this way but not for donkeys years!

NSC.....Listen to me...WE HAVE NOT GOT FALMER...FACT!



(yet I hasten to add)

i agree. its too early to be opening the champagne - i wont do so until the diggers move in on whatever site the stadium is going on
 




Dancin Ninja BHA

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Jul 6, 2003
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Lord Bracknell said:
But this raises the question of why it is necessary to have a 22,000 capacity stadium”.

What a stupid comment from quite obviously a non-footballing person

We need to a big stadium to move the club forward, without the ground we are just a joke club
 




Collyer pretty dismissive why we need anything bigger than Withdean.

see below

Withdean Stadium. “The Applicants’ argument against the development of a new stadium on this site is essentially on the grounds of its inability to accommodate one of the capacity required. But this raises the question of why it is necessary to have a 22,000 capacity stadium”.I reckon Withdean is still in the equation!

And from reading his comments on these 2 they are still in the pot. But only Sheepcote comes over as a realsitic consideration but nowt can be built on it for 38 years!!!!!


Sheepcote Valley. “This site has its disadvantages as well as advantages … whether it represents a realistic alternative to Falmer is essentially a question of balance”.

Toads Hole Valley. “In terms of social and economic impacts, I acknowledge that this site does not score too well in comparison with Falmer.”

I like to see a half pint full. But I am getting annoyed whilst my beer is constantly getting knocked over!

LC

:angry: :angry:
 




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