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Randy McNob

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why are the media peddling the notion that most of the river crossings are from Albanians where the figures show around the same number of Afghans are crossing? Strange

 


beorhthelm

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why are the media peddling the notion that most of the river crossings are from Albanians where the figures show around the same number of Afghans are crossing? Strange


why does someone post an image on twitter, taken from an article, ask questions addressed in that article, without any reference? the core answers are there.
 

carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
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why are the media peddling the notion that most of the river crossings are from Albanians where the figures show around the same number of Afghans are crossing? Strange




Perhaps it is because there has been a significant increase in migration from Albania since July


However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

Anyway I can't see that it makes any difference which country they are fleeing from , they all need to be housed and cared for without prejudice
 

Randy McNob

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Perhaps it is because there has been a significant increase in migration from Albania since July


However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months. In contrast, over the whole of 2021 there were a total of 815 Albanian nationals who arrived by this method. In some weeks over the summer, more than half of small boat arrivals claimed to be Albanian.

Anyway I can't see that it makes any difference which country they are fleeing from , they all need to be housed and cared for without prejudice
No it makes a huge difference. They want to peddle the idea that it's all or mostly Albanians so people buy into the idea they don't necesarily come from war torn countries while not mentioning an almost similar number come from a Afghanistan, a country we invaded, occupied and surrendered to the Taliban, turning our back on it's civilians. They come back to the UK seeking sactuary and we have the audacity to call THEM invaders !!

3rd most come from Iran, as we saw with Zagawi-Ratcliffe, they imprison an toture it's people and they have had massive floods due to climate change which we largely contributed to Then you have Iraq,a county we invaded illigally and caused unrest and the insurgence of ISIS, after that Syria, Etria, Sudan all in the misdst of wars. But no one talks about those nationals, I can only assume accepting the fact most refugees are genuine and come from war torn countries doesn't suit the racist narrative....
 
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carlzeiss

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No it makes a huge difference. They want to peddle the idea that it's all or mostly Albanians so people buy into the idea they don't necesarily come from war torn countries while not mentioning an almost similar number come from a Afghanistan, a country we invaded, occupied and surrendered to the Taliban, turning our back on it's civilians. They come back to the UK seeking sactuary and we have the audacity to call THEM invaders !!

3rd most come from Iran, as we saw with Zagawi-Ratcliffe, they imprison an toture it's people and they have had massive floods due to climate change which we largely contributed to Then you have Iraq,a county we invaded illigally and caused unrest and the insurgence of ISIS, after that Syria, Etria, Sudan all in the misdst of wars. But no one talks about those nationals, I can only assume accepting the fact most refugees are genuine and come from war torn countries doesn't suit the racist narrative....
What ever , everyone is welcome . room for all
 

Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
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What ever , everyone is welcome . room for all
Indeed there is....providing we keep building more houses, schools, hospitals and prisons. Keep updating our road systems, widening and improving existing and building lots of new, particularly through open countryside. Keep increasing taxation to pay for an ever increasing population. Put more buses and trains on. We need to start building on undeveloped areas. The New Forest, Exmoor, Dartmoor etc rather than increasing the urban sprawl.
We need to reclaim land from the sea. We need fracking or nuclear...whatever. Infrastructure development is too slow. Too little of the Green Belt is being utilised.
 

Randy McNob

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Indeed there is....providing we keep building more houses, schools, hospitals and prisons. Keep updating our road systems, widening and improving existing and building lots of new, particularly through open countryside. Keep increasing taxation to pay for an ever increasing population. Put more buses and trains on. We need to start building on undeveloped areas. The New Forest, Exmoor, Dartmoor etc rather than increasing the urban sprawl.
We need to reclaim land from the sea. We need fracking or nuclear...whatever. Infrastructure development is too slow. Too little of the Green Belt is being utilised.
problem is the Tories are funded by landlords so are incentivised to restrict housebuilding to keep property values and rents high

Also, since 2010 the Tories have been so inept at handling the economy the amount we spend to service borrowing is astronomical, way more than we spent to bail out the banks in 2008 and more than enough to invest in all the above
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
Oct 8, 2003
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Indeed there is....providing we keep building more houses, schools, hospitals and prisons. Keep updating our road systems, widening and improving existing and building lots of new, particularly through open countryside. Keep increasing taxation to pay for an ever increasing population. Put more buses and trains on. We need to start building on undeveloped areas. The New Forest, Exmoor, Dartmoor etc rather than increasing the urban sprawl.
We need to reclaim land from the sea. We need fracking or nuclear...whatever. Infrastructure development is too slow. Too little of the Green Belt is being utilised.
Disagree. It is being utilised as....green belt!

FFS. :facepalm:
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Indeed there is....providing we keep building more houses, schools, hospitals and prisons. Keep updating our road systems, widening and improving existing and building lots of new, particularly through open countryside. Keep increasing taxation to pay for an ever increasing population. Put more buses and trains on. We need to start building on undeveloped areas. The New Forest, Exmoor, Dartmoor etc rather than increasing the urban sprawl.
We need to reclaim land from the sea. We need fracking or nuclear...whatever. Infrastructure development is too slow. Too little of the Green Belt is being utilised.
But our economy is currently structured to require consumerism for growth. With an ageing population, a negative birth rate, the elephant in the room is that our current economic model needs population growth for economic growth.

Unless we have an about turn on how taxation actually works, how we put public money into education and training, how we invest in infrastructure and skills and how profits and wealth are distributed, then immigration is the necessity our current government doesn't want to talk about, or should I say tell the truth about.

Unless we are prepared to elect governments that are outward looking, consider long term strategies for investment, education and training, then economic growth will continue to mean population growth.

Those people that vote for low taxation and low immigration through the Tories, they are the turkeys voting for Xmas.
 

rogersix

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Jan 18, 2014
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Indeed there is....providing we keep building more houses, schools, hospitals and prisons. Keep updating our road systems, widening and improving existing and building lots of new, particularly through open countryside. Keep increasing taxation to pay for an ever increasing population. Put more buses and trains on. We need to start building on undeveloped areas. The New Forest, Exmoor, Dartmoor etc rather than increasing the urban sprawl.
We need to reclaim land from the sea. We need fracking or nuclear...whatever. Infrastructure development is too slow. Too little of the Green Belt is being utilised.
i can see that you're terrified of the demographic time bomb, try to save as much money as you can
 

carlzeiss

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More than half of the child asylum seekers who have disappeared from Hove hotels were still missing, councillors have been told.


Just 57 out of 125 missing children had been located, with 51 cases still under investigation. Most of the other cases had been “filed” unsolved.
A senior safeguarding official shared figures showing that 62 children, or almost half of those who had vanished, went missing in just two months last year – August and September.
The numbers had since tailed off, with no children reported missing since the start of the year so far.

And more than 90 per cent of the children who had gone missing were Albanian, possibly because they were “disenfranchised” by the asylum process, according to the official, Justin Grantham.
 

The Clamp

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More than half of the child asylum seekers who have disappeared from Hove hotels were still missing, councillors have been told.


Just 57 out of 125 missing children had been located, with 51 cases still under investigation. Most of the other cases had been “filed” unsolved.
A senior safeguarding official shared figures showing that 62 children, or almost half of those who had vanished, went missing in just two months last year – August and September.
The numbers had since tailed off, with no children reported missing since the start of the year so far.

And more than 90 per cent of the children who had gone missing were Albanian, possibly because they were “disenfranchised” by the asylum process, according to the official, Justin Grantham.
Do you have an opinion on that?



No.


Of course you don’t.

Nice to use missing children for a political point score though.


You’ve shown us what you are there.
 

carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
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Do you have an opinion on that?



No.


Of course you don’t.

Nice to use missing children for a political point score though.


You’ve shown us what you are there.
An article lifted from the Argus highlighting missing children from a hotel in Hove is political point scoring .

How exactly ?
 


Jackthelad

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Mar 31, 2010
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This is crazy, there is something very murky going on. How are children just being allowed to be taken like this? 10 a day in Kent! 100+ in Brighton. You would think 1 child would be enough to have police or security in place to stop this. It reeks of a nonce ring.
 

Boys 9d

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Is there a danger that local children living in the area may also deliberately or accidentally be targeted? Whether children are asylum seekers or residents the Police should be more pro active to deter these events.
 

Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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Valley of Hangleton
I don’t understand why unaccompanied children are in hotels.

Is there a shortage of people willing to be foster parents?
I don’t understand why unaccompanied children are in hotels.

Is there a shortage of people willing to be foster parents?
Me neither until I was told what the likely age of these ‘ children’ really is, a language school host family type of arrangement would be more in keeping 😉
 

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