[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Rdodge30]

i can't remember who own's yougov, but it's one of the disgraced, brexit cult, tory mp's;

i'ld suggest that is also a very significant piece of information when attempting to derive meaning from these polls

As of November 2020, major shareholders of the company included Liontrust Asset Management (14.23%); Standard Life Aberdeen (8.6%); Octopus Investments (7.78%); BlackRock (7.63%); and Stephan& Rosamund Shakespeare (6.85%). YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

 

[Berty23]

Given the love some have developed for you gov polls. Here is a poll about what the public think of whether boris knowingly misled Parliament. How on Earth can 14% think he didn’t?

Thinking about how he responded to the issue of parties being held at Downing Street during lockdown, do you think Boris Johnson did or did not knowingly mislead Parliament? | Daily Question

Thinking about how he responded to the issue of parties being held at Downing Street during lockdown, do you think Boris Johnson did or did not knowingly mislead Parliament?

yougov.co.uk

 

[Berty23]

i can't remember who own's yougov, but it's one of the disgraced, brexit cult, tory mp's;

i'ld suggest that is also a very significant piece of information when attempting to derive meaning from these polls

Set up by zahawi.

 

[pb21]

Yes my mistake earlier

Easily done. Although I do find it marginally interesting that when trying to make a point about how many people think immigration is too high, you mistakenly chose a lower percentage of people to make that point, which is also the same percentage who famously voted a certain way in a certain referendum.

Maybe an example of unconscious bias perhaps, or possibly, on the other hand, a Freudian slip, or I guess even an honest simple mistake too.

Anyway, sorry to bore you with my ramblings.

 

[rogersix]

As of November 2020, major shareholders of the company included Liontrust Asset Management (14.23%); Standard Life Aberdeen (8.6%); Octopus Investments (7.78%); BlackRock (7.63%); and Stephan& Rosamund Shakespeare (6.85%). YouGov is a member of the British Polling Council.

ta! just looking at that, it was bloomin zahawi! they breed like rats, don't they tho, controlling the flow of information in a democracy, nice little earner!

 

[Berty23]

Here is what the less leading question from ipsos Mori makes of the immigration issue.

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www.ipsos.com

It is much more nuanced. It includes whether had positive or negative impact and weather should be more or less. Interest to see overall a positive response but still 42% want it reduced.

I expect if you asked about different types of immigration you would get very different answers too.

People quoting just the odd percentage are obviously pushing an agenda.

 

[Rdodge30]

ta! just looking at that, it was bloomin zahawi! they breed like rats, don't they tho, controlling the flow of information in a democracy, nice little earner!

Point taken

 

[ManOfSussex]

i can't remember who own's yougov, but it's one of the disgraced, brexit cult, tory mp's;

i'ld suggest that is also a very significant piece of information when attempting to derive meaning from these polls

Nadhim Zahawi founded it and he's an absolutely, totally, thoroughly, tremendously, all round, bloody good bloke. Hope this helps.

 

[Rdodge30]

Here is what the less leading question from ipsos Mori makes of the immigration issue.

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www.ipsos.com

It is much more nuanced. It includes whether had positive or negative impact and weather should be more or less. Interest to see overall a positive response but still 42% want it reduced.

I expect if you asked about different types of immigration you would get very different answers too.

People quoting just the odd percentage are obviously pushing an agenda.

I wasn’t posting my own agenda , I was simply trying (inaccurately obviously!)to point out that wanting more immigration was a minority view contrary to some of the people shouting me down. Whilst the poll you show does differ it still shows that only 22% of people want immigration increased.

The other points I wanted to call out are that i don’t believe that everyone who wants less immigration is a racist - white or otherwise and that whilst it doesn’t matter one way or the other whether I or anyone else in here misreads the room, it matters very much to me that the man I want to lead the country SKS does not misread the room and sets out publicly his strategy for sorting this mess out under a Labour government. On either poll the yes and no votes add up to a vast majority not satisfied with the situation one way or the other so it is certainly relevant in GE terms.

That poll is very interesting

 

[clapham_gull]

Nadhim Zahawi founded it and he's an absolutely, totally, thoroughly, all round, bloody good bloke. Hope this helps.

Along with Jeffrey Archer's London Mayoral Campaign Manager, Stephan Shakespeare.

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[Berty23]

I wasn’t posting my own agenda , I was simply trying (inaccurately obviously!) that wanting more immigration was a minority view contrary to some of the people shouting me down. Whilst the poll you show does differ it still shows that only 22% of people want immigration increased.

The other points I wanted to call out are that not everyone who wants less immigration is a racist - white or otherwise and that whilst it doesn’t matter one way or the other whether I or anyone else in here misreads the room, it matters very much to me that the man I want to lead the country SKS does not miss read the room and sets about sorting this mess out. On either poll the yes and no votes add up to a vast majority not satisfied with the situation one way or the other.

That poll is very interesting

The biggest irony for all this is that brexit was obviously linked to immigration and brexit makes it harder for us to control the boats crossing and returning people with failed asylum claims (if we bothered processing them obviously because it is far better for government to shout about them rather than deal with them).

 

[The Clamp]

I wasn’t posting my own agenda , I was simply trying (inaccurately obviously!) that wanting more immigration was a minority view contrary to some of the people shouting me down. Whilst the poll you show does differ it still shows that only 22% of people want immigration increased.

The other points I wanted to call out are that not everyone who wants less immigration is a racist - white or otherwise and that whilst it doesn’t matter one way or the other whether I or anyone else in here misreads the room, it matters very much to me that the man I want to lead the country SKS does not miss read the room and sets about sorting this mess out. On either poll the yes and no votes add up to a vast majority not satisfied with the situation one way or the other.

That poll is very interesting

I understand what you are saying but outside of voting for a party depending on your relationship with their immigration policy, the public’s opinion on immigration doesn’t really impact on our obligations both morally and lawfully.

YouGov polls are engineered by Tory lickspittles to bolster the general publics support for Tory policy.

 

[clapham_gull]

It was a relatively good day for the Tories today, probably the best they've had since the vaccine roll out.

The lunatic fringe cornered and electoral liability Johnson humiliated.

 

[Berty23]

I understand what you are saying but outside of voting for a party depending on your relationship with their immigration policy, the public’s opinion on immigration doesn’t really impact on our obligations both morally and lawfully.

YouGov polls are engineered by Tory lickspittles to bolster the general publics support for Tory policy.

I am amazed with some of the questions that get approved. Surveys is my job and some of those that don’t get people booted out of polling are amazing. It is similar to gb news not getting endlessly published by ofcom

 

[clapham_gull]

I once worked with a bloke in London we called "racist [name redacted]".

We called him that because he was a racist and his name was [name redacted].

He once got into a argument with a German in a pub as he refused to believe we drank less beer than them.

He eventually relented and put it down to immigrants who don't drink "bringing our averages down".

I always wondered what happened to him, with his love of the Conservative party, Stonehenge and an archery target with Tony Blair on it in his back garden.

 

[The Clamp]

I once worked with a bloke in London we called "racist [name redacted]".

We called him that because he was a racist and his name was [name redacted].

He once got into a argument with a German in a pub as he refused to believe we drank less beer than them.

He eventually relented and put it down to immigrants who don't drink "bringing our averages down".

I always wondered what happened to him, with his love of the Conservative party, Stonehenge and an archery target with Tony Blair on it in his back garden.

He moved to Spain in 2016.

 

[Berty23]

Another you gov poll about whether people believe Johnson is honest. Believe it or not, the majority think he isn’t. That is majority of leave voters, tory voters too.

 

[clapham_gull]

He moved to Spain in 2016.

I miss him,

We took him to a gay pub in Old Compton Street one lunchtime.

He was completely oblivious to his surroundings for at least an hour (even commenting how friendly everyone was to him) until we told him and he stormed out.

I also recall a surreal conversation an Indian colleague had with him about the caste system. He misheard it as "cars system" and asked whether Indian social structures were really based around what car you owned.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It was a relatively good day for the Tories today, probably the best they've had since the vaccine roll out.

The lunatic fringe cornered and electoral liability Johnson humiliated.

And yet without a bruise, let alone torn skin.

The demise of the tory death star is a long way in the future, and will not involve Johnson (except in the bosom of his fan club, which will always number many, because the man says it how it is, and is a winner. Fact).

Floating voters, hello my lovelies.... would you like to learn about a tale of courage (Starmer), leadership (Starmer), vision (Starmer), lies (Johnson), collusion (most of the other tory MPs), lies (Johnson), betrayal (Johnson), lies (Johnson), manslaughter by negligence (Johnson), and f***ing venal treasonous dereliction of duty (Johnson)? Then open your eyes.

 

[Rdodge30]

Another you gov poll about whether people believe Johnson is honest. Believe it or not, the majority think he isn’t. That is majority of leave voters, tory voters too.

Unquestionably dishonest. An independent inquiry into parliamentary inquiries needed if/when he walks