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[Politics] Tactical Voting at the General Election

Will you Vote Tactically on July 4th

  • I'll vote for the party who is the least worst option that can win

    Votes: 57 50.9%
  • I'll vote for the party that agrees with my ideals regardless

    Votes: 55 49.1%

  • Total voters
    112


AlbionBro

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2020
1,366
I find this attitude a little strange . . . . Being a crook and destructive in direct relation to your football team and heart strings is one thing we all agree on, Bellotti was clearly a weapons grade **** and not deserving of the oxygen he breathes. So not voting for the man is exactly the right thing to do.

HOWEVER . . . . . Not voting, for what are quite possibly the most sensible and universally liked political policies 'just because' is idiocy in spades.

Asides apathy . . . 'Grudge ' or 'ill informed dislike for no reason'. is the other reason we're in such a f***ing mess . . . . Thats a universal issue across all political spectrums.

I don't have a party per se, but I will vote to make sure the tories are as far away from any control as possible . . . . To that end, I have and will vote red green or yellow . . . . Depending on who'd most likely to oust them. Who knows, there may come a time when I think differently ( unlikely as I don't consider my self to be that kind of person)
Yes Bellotti and playful Ed with some crazy spending is all a bit too much for me.Normally I'd be definitely Labour, but they just seem too much like the Tories their sums just don't add up either. I am not sure a massive majority from any party will be good for the country either.
I hope you pick the right colour you feel comfortable with. I am not voting as Its just time to let the kids decide, I might not even see the next five years out.
 




WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
26,706
Let's be honest they are all untrustworthy, I have never found so pressurised to vote, and I can't see the way forward. I think I am definitely leaning towards staying at home and cracking a couple of beers open instead. it maybe a more sensible option. As for young Carol, she appears to be letting her anger get the better of her, I hope she is okay.

If you're happy to let others decide what laws you have to abide by, how much you're taxed, whether you can access health care and social services, where and how you live then enjoy your beer, but don't moan later that it's not what you want :wink:
 


AlbionBro

Well-known member
Jun 6, 2020
1,366
If you're happy to let others decide what laws you have to abide by, how much you're taxed, whether you can access health care and social services, where and how you live then enjoy your beer, but don't moan later that it's not what you want :wink:
I won't be moaning, let the kids decide it's their future, not old boys like me, I am now in the twilight zone.
 


zefarelly

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
22,251
Sussex, by the sea
If you're happy to let others decide what laws you have to abide by, how much you're taxed, whether you can access health care and social services, where and how you live then enjoy your beer, but don't moan later that it's not what you want :wink:
In defence of AlbionBro . . . My step father was ex army, became very anti establishment . . . . And latterly of the same opinion. Derek & CLive were right. They are all 'exactly as described' Out there.
 








Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,182
Fiveways
I’m concerned that we haven’t seen nothing yet in the bigger picture. Was 1945 to 2015 the age of liberalism in Western Europe and the US to an extent? Demoralising article in the Telegraph, France is just days away from a very right wing coalition that shares Farage’s view on Russia, they’ll pull the plug on 38m Ukrainians. Similarly, the Orange rapist and mate of Putin is favourite to win the US presidency. I’m surprised at how much of the UK chattering classes only have eyes in the world for Britain and Gaza. No interest in the bigger picture.

Farage and many of his Nazi loving candidates make Cameron, Tugenhadt, Rudd, Hunt, Sunak look like the left.

On this occasion I love FPTP, it’s hopefully keeping 100 racists/fascists out of our Commons.
No. 1945-c1979 was the age of social democracy. 1979-2008 was the age of neoliberal financialised globalisation. Since then, nothing's replaced it and we're still stuck in limbo as it won't quite go away but nobody can credibly argue for it any more and, for the moment at least, we have to endure the nativists and essentialists until sufficient numbers can get around an alternative project.
 






portlock seagull

Why? Why us?
Jul 28, 2003
17,498
Yes Bellotti and playful Ed with some crazy spending is all a bit too much for me.Normally I'd be definitely Labour, but they just seem too much like the Tories their sums just don't add up either. I am not sure a massive majority from any party will be good for the country either.
I hope you pick the right colour you feel comfortable with. I am not voting as Its just time to let the kids decide, I might not even see the next five years out.
Nobody’s sums ever add up. But if after 15 years of the tories you think they’re still a creditable option then I’m wondering what it will take to rule them out of contention? Personally if Lord Bucket was running in my ward he’s get my vote ahead of the Tory candidate (mine backed Boris to the point of the indefensible and beyond, so she won’t be getting my vote and I told her so at the time because of her poor judgement)
 


jonny.rainbow

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2005
6,726
I’ve had nothing from any candidates. They obviously don’t want my vote.

Pretty sure I’ll be spoiling my ballot paper for this one. Blue Tories making way for the Red Tories. Our electoral system is in great need of reform.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,610
No. 1945-c1979 was the age of social democracy. 1979-2008 was the age of neoliberal financialised globalisation. Since then, nothing's replaced it and we're still stuck in limbo as it won't quite go away but nobody can credibly argue for it any more and, for the moment at least, we have to endure the nativists and essentialists until sufficient numbers can get around an alternative project.
the current model is socialised global debt. we're indebted up to the eyeballs, quick fix for politicians is more debt and thats being funded largely by large exporters buying it up. example, we'll shortly be pumping lot of money into energy and high energy consumption industries to prop them up in transition to net zero.
 




Peteinblack

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jun 3, 2004
3,820
Bath, Somerset.
No. 1945-c1979 was the age of social democracy. 1979-2008 was the age of neoliberal financialised globalisation. Since then, nothing's replaced it and we're still stuck in limbo as it won't quite go away but nobody can credibly argue for it any more and, for the moment at least, we have to endure the nativists and essentialists until sufficient numbers can get around an alternative project.
One of my favourite political quotes is from the Italian political theorist, Antonio Gramsci, who was imprisoned under Mussolini:

"The old is dying, but the new cannot yet be born. In the interregnum, a variety of morbid symptoms appear."

I think that this is exactly where we are currently.
 








sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
12,828
Hove
I'm Anyone-but-Labour, Anyone-but-Tory, and Anyone-but-Reform so my options are somewhat limited tactically or not.
 


sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
12,828
Hove
I’m concerned that we haven’t seen nothing yet in the bigger picture. Was 1945 to 2015 the age of liberalism in Western Europe and the US to an extent? Demoralising article in the Telegraph, France is just days away from a very right wing coalition that shares Farage’s view on Russia, they’ll pull the plug on 38m Ukrainians. Similarly, the Orange rapist and mate of Putin is favourite to win the US presidency. I’m surprised at how much of the UK chattering classes only have eyes in the world for Britain and Gaza. No interest in the bigger picture.

Farage and many of his Nazi loving candidates make Cameron, Tugenhadt, Rudd, Hunt, Sunak look like the left.

On this occasion I love FPTP, it’s hopefully keeping 100 racists/fascists out of our Commons.
Macron is in power until 2027 so the French aren't going "Pro-Putin" before then.
 


Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
5,691
Macron is in power until 2027 so the French aren't going "Pro-Putin" before then.
This is OT but it is important to address this because it’s based on some misunderstanding about what is happening in France post-EU elections:

There is a very real risk France could go “Pro-Putin” on June 30/July 7 in the snap Parliamentary election that Macron has just called. That has why he has called an early election, to battle with the far right now, in the hope the electorate will come have come to their senses before the next Presidential elections and not back Marie Le Pen in 2027. It is a risk but a sensible one if the idea is to halt the momentum the far right are enjoying.

The election to the French Parliament could be the most significant and ‘destructive’ one since WWII. It also has great implications for the EU (because of Macron’s leadership) the UN and NATO because France’s prominence in those institutions.

Marie Le Pen’s National Rally candidate for Prime Minister, Jordan Bardella, could conceivably win, leaving the French Parliament with a far right majority party that has ‘ideological’ and ‘financial links’ with Putin and Putin-sympathisers. Le Pen has ties (like Trump and Farage), with the Hungarian PM, Viktor Orbán a devout Putin-sympathiser and has been repeatedly ambivalent on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Le Pen has also, (like Trump has done previously) vowed to withdraw France from NATO if she won the next Presidency.

Bardella may not win (and has said he would only form a government if he won a majority) but if he does, be of no doubt, that in the French constitution, where there is a conflict of ideology, it is the Government that will have the political power, not the Presidency.

EDIT - Latest polls puts Bardella’s far right National Rally Party ahead of Macronist Prime Minister, Gabriel Attal

 
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Hugo Rune

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 23, 2012
22,548
Brighton
Labour will win in my constituency so no point in voting tactically according to the Tory Out guides.

I’ve now received some pamphlets through the door. Out of the three parties I’d vote for, one candidate has announced that they are ‘Brighton Born & Bred’ and ‘An Albion Season Ticket Holder’. An interesting sales technique!
 




zefarelly

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
22,251
Sussex, by the sea
Yes Bellotti and playful Ed with some crazy spending is all a bit too much for me.Normally I'd be definitely Labour, but they just seem too much like the Tories their sums just don't add up either. I am not sure a massive majority from any party will be good for the country either.
I hope you pick the right colour you feel comfortable with. I am not voting as Its just time to let the kids decide, I might not even see the next five years out.
I don't think anyones sums do add up, the reue depth and scale of destruction is not easy to quantify, nor is it possible to quantify a cost or timescale on repair.

As in 1997, Labour have to take a central line to get into power . . . . the 10 years thay had rom 97 was ther best of my lifetime, at least they actually gave at least a single shit about the majority of people.
 


medwayseagull reborn

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2022
433
Tired old arguments - they are all the same, no difference in policy are trotted out. Look closer as there are significant differences in policy. The only difference is we have seen Tory policy in action for fourteen years. But, equally, we need a government of greater integrity and not one of total self interest. If people can't see the difference, as evidenced during the campaign, on that issue alone then they need to have a reality check.
 


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