Beach Hut
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Love him or hate him Ian Hislop is superb and can snuff out any bullshitter of a minister.
Labour lady is being mullered
Labour lady is being mullered
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Hislop always best on QT no matter what he's done. Loved this gaffe the last time he was on!!
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Question Time | Ian Hislop's gaffe
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Question Time | Ian Hislop's gaffe
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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Hislop absolute battering the Labour argue.
at the same time highlighting that the general approach of Labour is to make personal attacks on Tories, while the Tory approach is to (at least claim to) get everyone together towards a solution.
at the same time highlighting that the general approach of Labour is to make personal attacks on Tories, while the Tory approach is to (at least claim to) get everyone together towards a solution.
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I love George Osbourne he is almost incomprehensibly posh! That is what we need in a Chancellor not some scruffy oddly hirsute sweaty tossing about Westminster.
As you know, I would crawl almost three miles over broken glass just to wank over Thatchers shadow!
As you know, I would crawl almost three miles over broken glass just to wank over Thatchers shadow!
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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don't really care for Osborne. seems to be at the heart of the Tory no policy on anything, and backed down almost striaght away after getting his job on the issue of flat rate tax. bit lightweight i fear.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Love him or hate him Ian Hislop is superb and can snuff out any bullshitter of a minister.
Labour lady is being mullered
Looked a bit silly when asking about the Job Centre though didn't he ?
Not really.She may have used one before but thanks to her government she'll be using one again very soon.
What pisses me off is this public sector pay freeze, added to which the bloody Post again. My mum was a postie for 20 plus years and all she got was militant lefties pushing her to strike for this, for that, all bollox. People who work for the public sector and similar positions like the post office have to remember and realise the real world. These people are on good pay, great pensions! safe positions (no one person has been made redundant and I mean redundant from their job, some early retirements and good severance pay but that is it). The firemen threatened strike, why? because their cushy, and it bloody well is, job was going to stop them from having a second job. They say their job is dangerous but no more so than many others, since smoke detectors etc they very, very rarely go into buildings that are ablaze. Their pay is way above "Joes" on the street. Nurses, doctors, teachers earn good money. Now the Tories say a pay freeze and they bleat, along with other civil servants. People are outraged about Tory policy regarding income support. Cosseted people need to get real.
Since leaving my job in aircraft engineering 10 years ago I've run 6 businesses employed over 20 people, always fair and always paid what the market rate dictated. But and a real big smack in the chops but, what my business can afford. None of my employees had a pension plan paid by others, none was going to get a pay off or could afford to do nothing.
In the last year my business has gone to pot, resulting in my staff having no job, the bank though with guarantees decided to stop supporting us. I lost my home and my income along with over £300 000 of investment. I've got a wife, who's disabled, 5 kids of various ages and until now (some 25 years since I first started work) I have never claimed a penny from the state. Now my family is in rented accommodation, claiming housing benefit, my wife receives incapacity benefit as well as disability allowance, I get carers allowance for her and we get income support. We both hate it, yes we survive, yes the kids are ok, but when I hear people like on Question Time tonight saying it's not the civil servants fault so they shouldn't suffer a pay freeze I get pissed off. Many, many people through no fault of their own are suffering. Many have lost their jobs, many taken a pay cut let alone a freeze so people who do work as civil servants need to shut up.
Those complaining about income support and incapacity benefit are those frightened they might be found out.
Forget the banks, though they didn't help me, its this government that put this country in so much debt and Brown as chancellor and now prime minister who's to blame. The next government got a much worse job to do than when Thatcher come to power and again its a result of the reckless lefties. They borrowed when the times were good, thanks to previous policies, and borrowed more when it turned to shit. The days of boom and bust might have been over during the last 12plus years but only because they papered over the almighty hole they and they alone created.
I truly feel sympathy for the next government attempting to sort this crap out but cuts are needed, reality needs to start, and the cushy jobs in the civil service need to go. Minority black lesbian single parent co-ordination inclusion officers for starters.
Grow up, wake up and smell the coffee and at the moment who gives a f**k if it is free trade!
Rant over
Keep the faith, my arse
Since leaving my job in aircraft engineering 10 years ago I've run 6 businesses employed over 20 people, always fair and always paid what the market rate dictated. But and a real big smack in the chops but, what my business can afford. None of my employees had a pension plan paid by others, none was going to get a pay off or could afford to do nothing.
In the last year my business has gone to pot, resulting in my staff having no job, the bank though with guarantees decided to stop supporting us. I lost my home and my income along with over £300 000 of investment. I've got a wife, who's disabled, 5 kids of various ages and until now (some 25 years since I first started work) I have never claimed a penny from the state. Now my family is in rented accommodation, claiming housing benefit, my wife receives incapacity benefit as well as disability allowance, I get carers allowance for her and we get income support. We both hate it, yes we survive, yes the kids are ok, but when I hear people like on Question Time tonight saying it's not the civil servants fault so they shouldn't suffer a pay freeze I get pissed off. Many, many people through no fault of their own are suffering. Many have lost their jobs, many taken a pay cut let alone a freeze so people who do work as civil servants need to shut up.
Those complaining about income support and incapacity benefit are those frightened they might be found out.
Forget the banks, though they didn't help me, its this government that put this country in so much debt and Brown as chancellor and now prime minister who's to blame. The next government got a much worse job to do than when Thatcher come to power and again its a result of the reckless lefties. They borrowed when the times were good, thanks to previous policies, and borrowed more when it turned to shit. The days of boom and bust might have been over during the last 12plus years but only because they papered over the almighty hole they and they alone created.
I truly feel sympathy for the next government attempting to sort this crap out but cuts are needed, reality needs to start, and the cushy jobs in the civil service need to go. Minority black lesbian single parent co-ordination inclusion officers for starters.
Grow up, wake up and smell the coffee and at the moment who gives a f**k if it is free trade!
Rant over
Keep the faith, my arse
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ROSM
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I'm interested in this because although Hislop hit home on a number of occasions very well (the bit about referendum on Lisbon and also the items about Richard Dannatt) some of his stuff looked poorly researched and just headline seeking.
The bit about the job centre I though Cooper handled well
The bit about Cooper clinging on to Balls' coat tails was off the mark (she was promoted first) and so a good dig at her for her stance on Osborne's background was lost by that. Although I actually did agree with her comment about Osborne
Finally the comment about inheritance tax was again lost. Yes he was right to point out that labour had nicked the Conservative line on it but the new Tory proposal does further benefit a very small minority at the top end whereas the current tax was amended by labour to benefit a wider group. Cooper's point and one which the Lib Dem lady got well was that if we're all in this together then benefiting a small number (be it 3000 or 7000 people) is not the right approach.
I actually warmed to the Lib Dem lady. She was very polite when I met her outside the Lib Dem bash in Brighton a few years ago when Paul Samrah and I managed to sideline Ming Campbell
And what purpose did M&S man serve except to cause strobing on TV with his jacket (not a good advert for that range)?
The bit about the job centre I though Cooper handled well
The bit about Cooper clinging on to Balls' coat tails was off the mark (she was promoted first) and so a good dig at her for her stance on Osborne's background was lost by that. Although I actually did agree with her comment about Osborne
Finally the comment about inheritance tax was again lost. Yes he was right to point out that labour had nicked the Conservative line on it but the new Tory proposal does further benefit a very small minority at the top end whereas the current tax was amended by labour to benefit a wider group. Cooper's point and one which the Lib Dem lady got well was that if we're all in this together then benefiting a small number (be it 3000 or 7000 people) is not the right approach.
I actually warmed to the Lib Dem lady. She was very polite when I met her outside the Lib Dem bash in Brighton a few years ago when Paul Samrah and I managed to sideline Ming Campbell
And what purpose did M&S man serve except to cause strobing on TV with his jacket (not a good advert for that range)?
I work for the UK Border Agency. I'm in line for a pay freeze. So be it. If I'm honest with myself, I'm on a fairly sweet deal. My hours aren't huge. I don't take work home with me. My job is as secure as I could hope for and I'm working my way to a decent pension. Sure, I'll never be super rich but I'm not exactly destitute either. I couldn't reasonable expect to keep getting pay rises when everybody is under the cosh. In the private sector look at how BA staff are having to take all manner of hits to MAYBE keep their jobs.
I know there's going to be every union under the sub bleating about it but get used to it. It's going to happen and we haven't a leg to stand on.
I know there's going to be every union under the sub bleating about it but get used to it. It's going to happen and we haven't a leg to stand on.
Jim, dont want to worry you but your job is no longer secure. The Tories/Labour are looking for 30% savings. Seeing as pay is the largest factor in Whitehall that amounts to 30% job cuts.
To the person who says that no civil servant has actually been made redundant, sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. My friend was complusory made redundant a couple of years ago, along with many others.
The Civil Service is an easy target. I would agree with all of you if it was case of staff sitting round playing Ludo, but they are actually doing something. Now its a bit rich for Osbourne to say he is going to cut staff, but what functions is he going to stop them doing. No bloody idea thats what.
The fact of the matter is that through the incompetence of the banks, Taxpayers have had to bail them out, resulting in a large deficit. Now public sector workers, like myself have to pay for that through pay freeze (which I can accept) and our jobs (which I dont)
Remember, I too have a home, a wife, a child etc and thanks to the banks etc I am faced with the prospect of losing my home etc if I lose my job. Bankers on the other hand continue to pay themselves vast bonuses (which is like lottery winnings for most of us).
Superphil
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I know we're all supposed to despise Osbourne because he's designated a toff, and personnally I've never really cared for him, but I reckon he's had a good week both at the conference and on question time. Fine effort.
I agree with the second part of your post, but why do you think we are all supposed to despise toffs? I am interested in your answer so I am not going to start a rant [binfest], just curious as to your attitude towards those who I assume you consider to be possibly better off/better educated than you or at least perceived that way.
- Jan 18, 2009
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The fact of the matter is that through the incompetence of the banks, Taxpayers have had to bail them out, resulting in a large deficit. Now public sector workers, like myself have to pay for that through pay freeze (which I can accept) and our jobs (which I dont)
Remember, I too have a home, a wife, a child etc and thanks to the banks etc I am faced with the prospect of losing my home etc if I lose my job. Bankers on the other hand continue to pay themselves vast bonuses (which is like lottery winnings for most of us).[/QUOTE]
Incompetence of the banks or not, the fact is that the Government allowed the banks to operate in the way that they did. In 2000 the legislation that created the FSA and how it would regulate the Financial Services industry came into effect. As we now know the FSA (who are civil servants) failed to regulate the industry effectively and in accordance with their objectives. The FSA Management should have been sacked, but no instead the FSA got £1.2m in bonuses curtesy of the taxpayer this year!!!!
Labour politicans whining on about the banks and bankers is absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than slight of hand to the electorate allowing them to say, 'not me guv'.
As Government were manifestly complicit with the banks in creating the position we find ourselves in it is only fair that some of those that the Government employed (from all the revenue they got from the banks and bankers in the good years) have to pay the price we are all feeling. Its not pleasant but that's not the point, the banks are cutting their cloth accordingly and so should the Government.
No doubt there are bankers earning bonuses, but then again 'it could be you' so why don't you go for a job in banking, nothing is stopping you. The sickening irony of this situation is that the consitituency of people who are regularly 'winning the Lottery' are the politicians themselves, and they will not be worrying about their jobs or going hungry in their dotage. The are the politicans are the f***ers who got us in this mess, quite why they are not feeling the pinch is beyond me.
Still you keep on about the bankers there's a good boy.
Remember, I too have a home, a wife, a child etc and thanks to the banks etc I am faced with the prospect of losing my home etc if I lose my job. Bankers on the other hand continue to pay themselves vast bonuses (which is like lottery winnings for most of us).[/QUOTE]
Incompetence of the banks or not, the fact is that the Government allowed the banks to operate in the way that they did. In 2000 the legislation that created the FSA and how it would regulate the Financial Services industry came into effect. As we now know the FSA (who are civil servants) failed to regulate the industry effectively and in accordance with their objectives. The FSA Management should have been sacked, but no instead the FSA got £1.2m in bonuses curtesy of the taxpayer this year!!!!
Labour politicans whining on about the banks and bankers is absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than slight of hand to the electorate allowing them to say, 'not me guv'.
As Government were manifestly complicit with the banks in creating the position we find ourselves in it is only fair that some of those that the Government employed (from all the revenue they got from the banks and bankers in the good years) have to pay the price we are all feeling. Its not pleasant but that's not the point, the banks are cutting their cloth accordingly and so should the Government.
No doubt there are bankers earning bonuses, but then again 'it could be you' so why don't you go for a job in banking, nothing is stopping you. The sickening irony of this situation is that the consitituency of people who are regularly 'winning the Lottery' are the politicians themselves, and they will not be worrying about their jobs or going hungry in their dotage. The are the politicans are the f***ers who got us in this mess, quite why they are not feeling the pinch is beyond me.
Still you keep on about the bankers there's a good boy.
London Calling
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As someone who has worked for the public sector and has run his own business.
I have been made redundant under the public sector. If you actually look, you will find out lots of evidence on the matter.
My present employer is making 30% cuts with another third more after XMAS.
As a public sector worker, I haven't had a pay rise for three years?
Don't confuse Civil SErvants with front line staff, if you want poor public service, poor morale, just attack the people we really need and then cut their salary.
Our Economy was running pretty smoothly until the Banks ****ed it up, so don't blame the Governemnt, The Libs or Conservatives would have left you in the same position. And as another post has shown, we are actually doing better with a lower level of GDP are risk, then most of our main competitors.
I doubt there is one black lesbien officer in the Civil Service, basically because it doesn't deliver so check some facts, so factually this is a poor 1/10 post.
I have been made redundant under the public sector. If you actually look, you will find out lots of evidence on the matter.
My present employer is making 30% cuts with another third more after XMAS.
As a public sector worker, I haven't had a pay rise for three years?
Don't confuse Civil SErvants with front line staff, if you want poor public service, poor morale, just attack the people we really need and then cut their salary.
Our Economy was running pretty smoothly until the Banks ****ed it up, so don't blame the Governemnt, The Libs or Conservatives would have left you in the same position. And as another post has shown, we are actually doing better with a lower level of GDP are risk, then most of our main competitors.
I doubt there is one black lesbien officer in the Civil Service, basically because it doesn't deliver so check some facts, so factually this is a poor 1/10 post.