Poyet unable to change mindset of players at Home

[Horney]

Thus far, I see no difference in the mindset of our players at home, under Poyet.
Every game is still started at a slow tempo, we allow ourselves to be forced onto the back foot from the kick off and teams now know they can kill us off early.
There is a casual indifference amongst certain players at Withdean, that leads one to believe that they have no interest in playing there. Poyet's charming and laid back approach may have won over Mr. Bloom but it is having absolutely no effect on a bunch of players who are doing their level best to create history at Withdean. i.e the worst home record in history.
Only personal and professional pride is driving some players on but they cannot carry the burden of the many.
This succession of appalling and utterly disgraceful home performances is totally unacceptable but the really galling thing is that the apologists are now out in full force. e.g " After the first 15 minutes, we played really well "
And what happened in the first 15 minutes?...WE LOST THE BLOODY GAME.
In the remainder of the game, their keeper made one really good save and we missed a succession of sitters ( including 3 open goals !!! )...THATS PLAYING WELL IS IT?
It now seems as well that we have no right to take any points off any team in the top 10.."oh, well, we expected to lose to them"....ffs...we might as well all give up now !!!
The home fans, loyal as they are, are being hugely let down. There is no value in going to Withdean anymore. You sit back and wait for the inevitable. There is nothing proactive in the team, just the opposite. They only try and play when they are already out of the game and the opposition are coasting and drop their level.
It is poor, poor fare and leaves a sour taste.

 

[1066familyman]

Thus far, I see no difference in the mindset of our players at home, under Poyet.
Every game is still started at a slow tempo, we allow ourselves to be forced onto the back foot from the kick off and teams now know they can kill us off early.
There is a casual indifference amongst certain players at Withdean, that leads one to believe that they have no interest in playing there. Poyet's charming and laid back approach may have won over Mr. Bloom but it is having absolutely no effect on a bunch of players who are doing their level best to create history at Withdean. i.e the worst home record in history.
Only personal and professional pride is driving some players on but they cannot carry the burden of the many.
This succession of appalling and utterly disgraceful home performances is totally unacceptable but the really galling thing is that the apologists are now out in full force. e.g " After the first 15 minutes, we played really well "
And what happened in the first 15 minutes?...WE LOST THE BLOODY GAME.
In the remainder of the game, their keeper made one really good save and we missed a succession of sitters ( including 3 open goals !!! )...THATS PLAYING WELL IS IT?
It now seems as well that we have no right to take any points off any team in the top 10.."oh, well, we expected to lose to them"....ffs...we might as well all give up now !!!
The home fans, loyal as they are, are being hugely let down. There is no value in going to Withdean anymore. You sit back and wait for the inevitable. There is nothing proactive in the team, just the opposite. They only try and play when they are already out of the game and the opposition are coasting and drop their level.
It is poor, poor fare and leaves a sour taste.

If you can't see that there were far more positves than negatives to take from tonights performance then it's going to be bloody hard work pleasing you.

Goodnight.

 

[Smithy]

I didn't go the game tonight so I am not in the best position to comment but anyone can see that 8 defeats from 11 home league games is dreadful and there are issues that need addressing.

 

[Barnham Seagull]

Thus far, I see no difference in the mindset of our players at home, under Poyet.
Every game is still started at a slow tempo, we allow ourselves to be forced onto the back foot from the kick off and teams now know they can kill us off early.
There is a casual indifference amongst certain players at Withdean, that leads one to believe that they have no interest in playing there. Poyet's charming and laid back approach may have won over Mr. Bloom but it is having absolutely no effect on a bunch of players who are doing their level best to create history at Withdean. i.e the worst home record in history.
Only personal and professional pride is driving some players on but they cannot carry the burden of the many.
This succession of appalling and utterly disgraceful home performances is totally unacceptable but the really galling thing is that the apologists are now out in full force. e.g " After the first 15 minutes, we played really well "
And what happened in the first 15 minutes?...WE LOST THE BLOODY GAME.
In the remainder of the game, their keeper made one really good save and we missed a succession of sitters ( including 3 open goals !!! )...THATS PLAYING WELL IS IT?
It now seems as well that we have no right to take any points off any team in the top 10.."oh, well, we expected to lose to them"....ffs...we might as well all give up now !!!
The home fans, loyal as they are, are being hugely let down. There is no value in going to Withdean anymore. You sit back and wait for the inevitable. There is nothing proactive in the team, just the opposite. They only try and play when they are already out of the game and the opposition are coasting and drop their level.
It is poor, poor fare and leaves a sour taste.

That sums it up fairly well although given a little time and a transfer window Im sure Gus will turn it round.

He has not had much time to work with the team given the fixture list etc, given time he will turn it around. Hopefully in time to stop us goind down.

 

[British Bulldog]

Thus far, I see no difference in the mindset of our players at home, under Poyet.
Every game is still started at a slow tempo, we allow ourselves to be forced onto the back foot from the kick off and teams now know they can kill us off early.
There is a casual indifference amongst certain players at Withdean, that leads one to believe that they have no interest in playing there. Poyet's charming and laid back approach may have won over Mr. Bloom but it is having absolutely no effect on a bunch of players who are doing their level best to create history at Withdean. i.e the worst home record in history.
Only personal and professional pride is driving some players on but they cannot carry the burden of the many.
This succession of appalling and utterly disgraceful home performances is totally unacceptable but the really galling thing is that the apologists are now out in full force. e.g " After the first 15 minutes, we played really well "
And what happened in the first 15 minutes?...WE LOST THE BLOODY GAME.
In the remainder of the game, their keeper made one really good save and we missed a succession of sitters ( including 3 open goals !!! )...THATS PLAYING WELL IS IT?
It now seems as well that we have no right to take any points off any team in the top 10.."oh, well, we expected to lose to them"....ffs...we might as well all give up now !!!
The home fans, loyal as they are, are being hugely let down. There is no value in going to Withdean anymore. You sit back and wait for the inevitable. There is nothing proactive in the team, just the opposite. They only try and play when they are already out of the game and the opposition are coasting and drop their level.
It is poor, poor fare and leaves a sour taste.

So what would you do to change things then?

 

[Silent Bob]

Poyet has had, what, three home league games? Against three of the top four. I thought we played quite well against Wycombe and if we'd had our proper strikers out we'd have hammered them. Rushden was a crap performance because we put out a crap midfield. Leeds gave us no chance, Charlton weren't as good but closed the game out very effectively after taking a Smith assisted lead. Today we lost through bad luck and poor finishing, at times we played some great football. We are getting better, but some people just can't wait to rip into the team it seems.

 

[middletoenail]

So what would you do to change things then?

Exactly, perhaps he has been playing Football Manger 2010?

 

[Barnham Seagull]

I understand Horneys sentiments in a general way (this and last season) but can't blame Gus for the passengers and crap he has inherited.

 

[KneeOn]

Poyet has made two fundemental mistakes (like my spelling)

1) Navvarro is a load of shit, does nothing good. Which is a shame since when he played at MK Dons he was an alright midfeilder and a good passer. But he just does f*** all out there. A clever turn that ended badly and a pass that WOULD have but Murray through in the first half but got cut out was all he did.

2) I don' know about the fitness of Jimmy Mac but if he's fit he simply HAS to start. No more discussion needed. When he came on he was amazing. Set up the offside goal. Potent attacking. One or two minor defencive errors he made up for by either delying their breaks or a great block/tackel two or three minutes later. Great game from him.

Sort these two things out and I feel we could have won this game.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Wasn't an offside goal btw, flicked off a defender.

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

Agree that the first 15 minutes were poor, but the first goal was an excellent shot and came through 2 or 3 players giving the keeper no chance.

The second was created from the left back position when we were down to 10 men and Al-Abd was off the pitch. It was still too easy for them to score it but if McNulty had been on it probably would not have happened.

For the remainder of the game we dominated, and the least we deserved was a draw, which we would have achieved if Murray had not hit the post when it was easier to score.

Yes we lost again but I can see signs of improvement and as has been previously said given time and a couple of experienced signings Gus will have us moving in the right direction. IMHO

 

[C17BHA]

I agree totally with comments about McNulty. As for Murray, he has got some latent talent ( Southampton performance ) but he frustrates me immensely, both in terms of the long string of petty and needless free kicks conceded and his generally lazy demeanour. How he hit the post and not score is unbelievable and, if that had gone in with 15 minutes remaining, we would have surely gone on to win.

 

[Horney]

If you can't see that there were far more positves than negatives to take from tonights performance then it's going to be bloody hard work pleasing you.

Goodnight.

I'll admit, I am a hard man to please..but what really makes me happy is BHA winning. Within reason, I don't give a massive pair of Babboon's testicles how they play as long as they get 3 points.
For season after season now, we have had to endure a win ratio of barely 30% against games played at Withdean. Of the 8 teams that have so far taken all 3 points off us, only Leeds really impressed me. To have lost at home against Stockport, Southend and Oldham is embarrassing to say the least.
I want us to be competitive against anyone in this division. Not to be out the game by half-time , as regularly happens. Lets make no bones about it, we could and probably should have lost at Exeter ( it was daylight robbery ) and what would fans have been saying then!
I am right behind Gus Poyet but until he turns round this losing mentality at Withdean ( and that will mean player changes ) we will struggle in the lower reaches of this division.
Oh well, see you at Swindon.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Wasn't so much that we improved after 15 minutes, but that Colchester got progressively worse. By the second half we'd brought them completely down to our level, complete with long periods of hoofball.

Jimmy Mac was quality tho.

Oh, and can Dicker please piss orf with the the short corner thing. Didn't work back in the day, doesn't work now.

 

[KneeOn]

Wasn't so much that we improved after 15 minutes, but that Colchester got progressively worse. By the second half we'd brought them completely down to our level, complete with long periods of hoofball.

Jimmy Mac was quality tho.

Oh, and can Dicker please piss orf with the the short corner thing. Didn't work back in the day, doesn't work now.

Errr... actually its worked this season...

Brighton 2 - 0 Gillingham
Bennett short corner was boxed for Elphick to head in.

And actually WE got better. Much more dynamic up front. Good runs to get Murray, Cox and Forster in on goal. Of Murray and Forster, Murray had the easier chance to score and should have scored but Forster made a mistake just hitting it against the keeper...

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Poyet has had, what, three home league games? Against three of the top four.

Precisely. I can't believe we have even had our first Poyet Out thread started - the stupidity is astounding.

 

[BensGrandad]

Oh, and can Dicker please piss orf with the the short corner thing. Didn't work back in the day, doesn't work now.

Was a little baffled when the 2 of them just stood there but when they did attempt it we very nearly scored.

 

[NMH]

Defensive discipline is required, with defenders actually staying back and marking.

Until they do this, expect to watch lots of thrilling goals getting shoved mercilessly into our net.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

Horney, sums up much the same as I feel after yet anotherWithdean woe.

Sure, a few hours later people look for positives and they may well be there, but it's still another ruined weekend.

 

[clippedgull]

Horney, sums up much the same as I feel after yet anotherWithdean woe.

Sure, a few hours later people look for positives and they may well be there, but it's still another ruined weekend.

Same feelings here, excuse , excuse, excuse.

I know it's repeated ad infinitum, the table doesn't lie