[TV] O/T Beginning of Afghanistan War

[carlzeiss]

Why would it be different this time? The Russians tried to impose godless communist rule over the Afghans before. It ended badly.

The Taliban would look at how the Chinese are treating the Muslim Uyghur population there, basically housing them in concentration like camps and they'd not be viewing the CCP in a positive light.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/08/19/china-taliban-allies-culver-lead-pkg-vpx.cnn

China teams up with Taliban in unlikely partnership


CNN's David Culver takes a closer look at the budding relationship between the Taliban and China.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/08/19/china-taliban-allies-culver-lead-pkg-vpx.cnn

China teams up with Taliban in unlikely partnership


CNN's David Culver takes a closer look at the budding relationship between the Taliban and China.

The Taliban are using the Chinese. Take their money, get nothing back for it. They won't have any power over their leaders.

We won't be seeing great swathes of Chinese walking around Afghanistan nor any Chinese army in the streets.

 

[Wardy's twin]

China's interest is two fold ,to increase their sphere of influence and to stake first claim to the raw materials that are there (lithium, gold). Not sure if the Taliban have any interest in what happens to the Uighurs as I am pretty sure whilst they are Muslims they are from a different ethnic group. Any Chinese presence will be low key (compared to America) and will help build roads (to facilitate mineral extraction) and move further to the west and Pakistan who they will see as another ally against India.

If the Taliban are going to stop producing opium they will have to look at revenue from natural resources.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Boris Johnson says there was no failure of the intelligence services but then says he/they were surprised by how quickly the Taliban took over. WTF

Pretty clear when the intelligence failure was IMO its in Boris's cranium where his brain is supposed to be.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The Taliban are using the Chinese. Take their money, get nothing back for it. They won't have any power over their leaders.

We won't be seeing great swathes of Chinese walking around Afghanistan nor any Chinese army in the streets.

But that is not the type of involvement I was talking about, they won't invade, they will give zillions for infrastructure and other stuff to build the country up, money talks, they will need money and investment will make them even more powerful.
I know it is completely different but China has single handedly transformed Sri Lanka with huge investment, a trip that used to take me 3 hours to get from Colombo to Ahungalla and on to Galle now takes less than half the time, and their prize is a huge port halfway between China and Europe.
They have done this in Africa too.
Let's wait and see but I think that China will offer to invest money into Afghanistan once things have settled down, China, as they have proved do not give a toss about human rights so that won't get in the way.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Boris Johnson says there was no failure of the intelligence services but then says he/they were surprised by how quickly the Taliban took over. WTF

Pretty clear when the intelligence failure was IMO its in Boris's cranium where his brain is supposed to be.

Are you surprised, he does not know what day of the week it is, talk about the wrong man at the wrong time for so many reasons and his cabinet are hand picked, hapless, weak, self serving clowns.
We had Trump, who started this, but I am very surprised at Bidens attitude too.
Trump, Johnson and Biden have proved that Western powers are weak and pathetically inept.
The scenes from the airport of parents handing over their babies to a soldier over barbed wire maybe never to see them again as The Taliban close in, is beyond shocking and upsetting.

 

[The Clamp]

Nailed it....

Yep. He’s bang on. And it’s clear to most, the US and the U.K. were in Afghanistan to make vast profit for the military industrial complex and private security firms. And profit they did. Trillions.

Only question now is….where next?

 

[beorhthelm]

China's interest is two fold ,to increase their sphere of influence and to stake first claim to the raw materials that are there (lithium, gold).

think the Afgan's have first claim on the minerals. if they were so many exploitable resources, the west would have been digging them out. reports of the vast mineral resources are based on decades old estimates, not accounting for the cost of extraction, and missing infrastructure, law or security needed to invest.

 

[portslade seagull]

Just feel so sorry for all the soldiers of all nationalities when have in the end needlessly given their lives

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

think the Afgan's have first claim on the minerals. if they were so many exploitable resources, the west would have been digging them out. reports of the vast mineral resources are based on decades old estimates, not accounting for the cost of extraction, and missing infrastructure, law or security needed to invest.

You would have thought so but we were too busy stopping terrorism, shooting the Taliban and getting the country into some sort of normality regarding women, kids and education as well as arming and training the Afghan army.
Maybe we could have struck up some arrangement whereas we have the know how to extract minerals and cut a deal.
This is what I think China will do now, this is only a guess but do the Taliban have the money, skills, manpower etc to extract minerals.
There are probably untold riches, undiscovered,that needs finding as well. That takes a lot of money, equipment and skill.
Lithium is almost as precious as gold due to the development of battery power around the globe.

 

[carlzeiss]

https://archive.is/6m7vZ

New York Times

U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

By Joseph Goldstein

Sept. 20, 2015

KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

 

[Wardy's twin]

think the Afgan's have first claim on the minerals. if they were so many exploitable resources, the west would have been digging them out. reports of the vast mineral resources are based on decades old estimates, not accounting for the cost of extraction, and missing infrastructure, law or security needed to invest.

agree not a lot there from what i read but more of the precious metals essential for modern electrical devices. Yes they are the property of the Afghans but they have little history of exploiting them whereas China is probably the worlds expert now. They will incur less costs as they don't care a f*ck for the environment or the people in it.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Are you surprised, he does not know what day of the week it is, talk about the wrong man at the wrong time for so many reasons and his cabinet are hand picked, hapless, weak, self serving clowns.
We had Trump, who started this, but I am very surprised at Bidens attitude too.
Trump, Johnson and Biden have proved that Western powers are weak and pathetically inept.
The scenes from the airport of parents handing over their babies to a soldier over barbed wire maybe never to see them again as The Taliban close in, is beyond shocking and upsetting.

Not at all surprised really just stunned by media not picking up on such crap.

 

[junior]

Just feel so sorry for all the soldiers of all nationalities when have in the end needlessly given their lives

It's hard to know what the deceased would think and I suppose as with everything there would be differing views, however they all made a positive difference so should rest in peace. Afghans have experienced a relatively free life for the last 20 years and hopefully those generations that have experienced that can put their free minds to good use.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Just feel so sorry for all the soldiers of all nationalities when have in the end needlessly given their lives

Like many will agree with you and the having seen videos at Kabul airport they are only going to get worse. Those young and most of them are Coalition forces will be making soon life and death choices on who stays and who goes.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

It's hard to know what the deceased would think and I suppose as with everything there would be differing views, however they all made a positive difference so should rest in peace. Afghans have experienced a relatively free life for the last 20 years and hopefully those generations that have experienced that can put their free minds to good use.

Like they melted away as a so called Army ?

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

Taliban soldiers wearing U.S.-made gear mock iconic World War II image of Marines raising flag on Iwo Jima in 1945 and release propaganda footage showing them armed with American weapons while on patrol in Afghanistan

 

[knocky1]

https://archive.is/6m7vZ

New York Times

U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

By Joseph Goldstein

Sept. 20, 2015

KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

You’re a complete and utter..