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nicko31

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Funny.

 


WATFORD zero

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Leave the ECHR
3% online sales tax
Reduce business rates

What do you think the benefits are of leaving the ECHR (of which Britain was a founder in 1950) and what does it mean we could do that we can't do now ?

How would the online Sales tax handle omni-channel retailers ? Which of the following should be taxed ?

Stores selling bulky items like furniture or some musical instruments, where the customer may receive extensive in-store support and advice before completing a transaction online and having the product delivered.
Or a customer who browses and researches online, before visiting the store to purchase the item
Or where a customer can purchase products online via self-service machines or apps in the store, with purchases collected from a counter or delivered to the customer’s home.
So what should be taxed, any transaction with no visit to a retail store or any transaction where the product is delivered to a home address or any order placed online or some other combination ?

And finally, how much should business rates be reduced by, how much would this save and how would we replace that income, or what should be cut to pay for it ?

Because it's always interesting to know why people have read these policies, considered them and decided these policies should win their vote, but I haven't had a lot of luck getting Reform supporters to discuss anything beyond the one liners that are printed on the pamphlets :thumbsup:
 
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Thunder Bolt

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3% online sales tax
Reduce business rates
Leave the ECHR which was founded by Sir Winston Churchill in 1951, with 45 other countries, who form the Council of Europe, long before the EU or even the Common Market.
Boris Johnson’s maternal grandfather was involved for 20 years, being President for 10 of those years.
The Good Friday Agreement is based in the ECHR, so why do you want to reintroduce violence and deaths in Northern Ireland?
Which of these 18 Rights that I have, do you want to remove?

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Dick Head

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What do you think the benefits are of leaving the ECHR (of which Britain was a founder in 1950) and what does it mean we could do that we can't do now ?

How would the online Sales tax handle omni-channel retailers ? Which of the following should be taxed ?

Stores selling bulky items like furniture or some musical instruments, where the customer may receive extensive in-store support and advice before completing a transaction online and having the product delivered.
Or a customer who browses and researches online, before visiting the store to purchase the item
Or where a customer can purchase products online via self-service machines or apps in the store, with purchases collected from a counter or delivered to the customer’s home.
So what should be taxed, any transaction with no visit to a retail store or any transaction where the product is delivered to a home address or any order placed online or some other combination ?

And finally, how much should business rates be reduced by, how much would this save and how would we replace that income, or what should be cut to pay for it ?

Because it's always interesting to know why people have read these policies, considered them and decided these policies should win their vote, but I haven't had a lot of luck getting Reform supporters to discuss anything beyond the one liners that are printed on the pamphlets :thumbsup:
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Eric the meek

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What do you think the benefits are of leaving the ECHR (of which Britain was a founder in 1950) and what does it mean we could do that we can't do now ?

How would the online Sales tax handle omni-channel retailers ? Which of the following should be taxed ?

Stores selling bulky items like furniture or some musical instruments, where the customer may receive extensive in-store support and advice before completing a transaction online and having the product delivered.
Or a customer who browses and researches online, before visiting the store to purchase the item
Or where a customer can purchase products online via self-service machines or apps in the store, with purchases collected from a counter or delivered to the customer’s home.
So what should be taxed, any transaction with no visit to a retail store or any transaction where the product is delivered to a home address or any order placed online or some other combination ?

And finally, how much should business rates be reduced by, how much would this save and how would we replace that income, or what should be cut to pay for it ?

Because it's always interesting to know why people have read these policies, considered them and decided these policies should win their vote, but I haven't had a lot of luck getting Reform supporters to discuss anything beyond the one liners that are printed on the pamphlets :thumbsup:
I admire your optimism, but I think you're in for a long wait. Don't forget you're addressing the same constituency that were fooled by a bus.

Today, 8 years after the Brexit vote, they still don't even ask 'well where DID the extra £350 million a week go?'. Not on the radar.

Mind you, a question they could well have asked is: 'Why haven't I had a pay rise in the eight years since I voted for one?'
 




Baldseagull

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Leave the ECHR
3% online sales tax
Reduce business rates
I don't agree with your voting choice, but these policies don't seem terrible at a glance. But it's what they actually would look like in practice that would worry me, if Reform had a chance.
Business rates and online Sales tax sound simple but are difficult to implement fairly.
Leaving the ECHR is a dangerous thing to do, without knowing what would replace it, if anything.
It is the problem of populist politicians, they make it sound simple, just get rid of this, or cut that, but the details matter enormously.

Leave the EU. It's easy.
 


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I admire your optimism, but I think you're in for a long wait. Don't forget you're addressing the same constituency that were fooled by a bus.

Today, 8 years after the Brexit vote, they still don't even ask 'well where DID the extra £350 million a week go?'. Not on the radar.

Mind you, a question they could well have asked is: 'Why haven't I had a pay rise in the eight years since I voted for one?'

I think people on this thread are being most unfair calling all Reform supporters thick. I am going to prove that a Reform poster exists who is capable of more than simply copying a one liner (frequently 3 words) from a pamphlet onto an NSC post and is actually able to discuss the implications of putting the policy that they say is winning their vote into practice.

I accept that my multiple attempts on this thread to prove such a poster exists have been somewhat less than successful so far, but I am ever the optimist and believe it may go better than a similar campaign I ran a few years back :wink:

I believe I have only asked half a dozen individual posters on this thread so far, all of whom have failed to respond, so I'll put it out there.

Which policy has been thought through, is costed and implementable and has convinced you to vote Reform ?
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

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I think people on this thread are being most unfair calling all Reform supporters thick. I am going to prove that a Reform poster exists who is capable of more than simply copying a one liner (frequently 3 words) from a pamphlet onto an NSC post and is actually able to discuss the implications of putting the policy that they say is winning their vote into practice.

I accept that my multiple attempts on this thread to prove such a poster exists have been somewhat less than successful so far, but I am ever the optimist and believe it may go better than a similar campaign I ran a few years back :wink:

I believe I have only asked half a dozen individual posters on this thread so far, all of whom have failed to respond, so I'll put it out there.

Which policy has been thought through, is costed and implementable and has convinced you to vote Reform ?
I salute your indefatigability.
 




Pondicherry

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ECHR judges are elected by members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe are appointed and not elected (at least the UK members). It is not ideal that unelected individuals are responsible for electing officials who sit in judgement on us. Can you name one ECHR judge or one UK member of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe?
 


Peteinblack

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Leave the ECHR
3% online sales tax
Reduce business rates
So which of your Human Rights do you want to surrender?

Also, perhaps look at the regimes where all human rights are suppressed; are they the type of societies you want Britain to become?

Or are you just triggered by the work 'European' in ECHR?
 








Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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Promoting leaving the EHCR as a solution to a few too many boats crossing the channel says all you need to know about the morons in Reform and the cretins who think they're the answer to everything.

That meme of an English twat cutting off a tree branch 150 feet up while sitting on it would be perfect for this scenario if it hadn't already been used to death to encapsulate Brexit - another "brilliant" Reform idea. They and their followers are the thickest group of people in the country.
 


Baldseagull

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ECHR judges are elected by members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe are appointed and not elected (at least the UK members). It is not ideal that unelected individuals are responsible for electing officials who sit in judgement on us. Can you name one ECHR judge or one UK member of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe?
How are UK judges appointed?
 


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