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[Football] Nathan Jones to Saints

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dazzer6666

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I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.
Bit like Gerrard at Villa ?
 


Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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Jones is a very strange character.
My son in law is a season ticket holder at Luton and has a friend on the staff who’s told him several instances of Nathan’s, shall we say, unusual methods of man management. One involved screaming the lyrics of”My Way” into the face of a player who disagreed with him.
Very strongly rumoured that Nathan and Luton’s CEO haven’t spoken face to face since his return from Stoke, they speak through intermediaries.
Also, next time Saints are on the telly, look at Jones fingers. They are all taped because he chews his nails so badly during games, they bleed.
Saying that, he is a very driven individual, who could just pull it off through sheer willpower.
I can well imagine there is an element of football snobbery from players who have played at the highest levels, but who then find themselves in a dressing room with some bloke who only ever played at the arse end of the football league, and who's managerial track record takes in Luton and a failed spell at Stoke. Unless they fully buy in to him, then it won't take long for egos to take over. I'm not saying its right, but I expect thats often how it pans out.

Now Vincent Kompany can walk into a dressing room with next to no managerial experience. But he would command instant respect from players because of who he is, and his track record as an incredible player who's played at the very highest level, under the best of the best in terms of managers. That obviously doesn't guarantee success, but it does at least buy him some time with the players under his command. Unlike Jones / Potter making the step up. If it don't work quick, its likely not gonna work.
It wasn’t exactly quick with Potter, covid saved us that season we were dire. Macalister played at Wolves away and gave us all a bit of hope as things had regressed badly since the few early games of the Potter era.
 

Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Are Saints in financial trouble that they are needing to go cheap…. Would we have been happy after Potter left to have approached Mr Jones ?
Can only speak for myself but I’d have been very underwhelmed but then I wasn’t at Fulham THAT evening :smile:
 
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Are Saints in financial trouble that they are needing to go cheap…. Would we have been happy after Potter left to have approached Mr Jones ?
We didn’t approach him and I can’t remember him ever being mentioned. When Mrs DiS first mentioned this, I felt distinctly underwhelmed on her behalf…… but maybe they’re right.
 

zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
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Well, if you work for a firm that sells photocopiers, pedal bins or ceramic mugs, then that may well be the case.

However, if you're sitting on a 3 year contract with a transfer valuation to your employers of circa £55m....maybe not so much.
I don't think it matters where you work or who you work for. If that's your attitude you're not a 'team player'

See Ronald O at Manure.
 

Horses Arse

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Can only speak for myself but I’d have been very underwhelmed but then I wasn’t at Fulham THAT evening :smile:
I was, it was great, but I would have certainly been underwhelmed. In fact, you cannot underestimate (correct use of this phrase in this instance...) how underwhelmed I would have been.

Whilst I originally had my doubts re DeZerbi I would have had no doubts over Jones.
 


Giraffe

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What was wrong with the first thread?

Oh, it was shit, wasn't it.

For the record, he did well at Luton.
He did badly at Stoke because Stoke were a basket case.
He has exceeded expectations back at Luton
He is a ruthless little bastard, not unfamiliar with the dark arts
And he's an interesting fit for Stains.
Absolutely agree. The only question is whether Southampton are also a basket case. Probably not as much as Stoke but they have the feel of a club that is tired of the Premier League. It may just be their time to drop down.
 

Pavilionaire

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Absolutely agree. The only question is whether Southampton are also a basket case. Probably not as much as Stoke but they have the feel of a club that is tired of the Premier League. It may just be their time to drop down.
Not so much tired of the Premier League. More like a brood mare that has birthed so many foals she is now spent and barren.

I note that the best years for brood mare production is between 5-10 years...
 

Jeremiah

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Indeed. The game is still littered with great players = shit managers.

Famously Wenger and Mourinho did f-all as players, but because of their intelligence and charisma they managed to bypass that and carve out amazing managerial careers. You do need incredible strength of personality, ego and belief to manage that trick though.
Think Klopp could be added to this list , Roy Hodgson did fairly well without the ego bit but ultimately won little.
 


Not Andy Naylor

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Reminds me of an incident back in the day (90s maybe?) when Southampton appointed a new manager from a lower division - can't remember the bloke's name, sorry. Anyway, at the time Southampton had a youngish player who'd got a couple of England caps - can't remember who that was either ...........................

But at training, on the new manager's first day, his greeting for the new manager was 'Hello, I'm ******* - I'm an England international, don't you know. Would you like my autograph?'
Indeed, Paul Sturrock was the manager and James Beattie (who? exactly) was the player. Sturrock (known as Luggy for reasons that are obvious if you know what he looks like) had actually had a distinguished playing career with Dundee United and Scotland but hadn't played or managed in the Premier League, so Beattie, being an ignorant as well as a self-important tw*t, had never heard of him. Luggy is very widely liked in football and admired for his courageous and uncomplaining fight against Parkinson's, whereas Beattie ... isn't. Funnily enough, his own managerial career lasted just 58 games, all at Accrington Stanley. He won just 16 of them.
 

GT49er

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Indeed, Paul Sturrock was the manager and James Beattie (who? exactly) was the player. Sturrock (known as Luggy for reasons that are obvious if you know what he looks like) had actually had a distinguished playing career with Dundee United and Scotland but hadn't played or managed in the Premier League, so Beattie, being an ignorant as well as a self-important tw*t, had never heard of him. Luggy is very widely liked in football and admired for his courageous and uncomplaining fight against Parkinson's, whereas Beattie ... isn't. Funnily enough, his own managerial career lasted just 58 games, all at Accrington Stanley. He won just 16 of them.
Thanks for filling in the blanks - and a lot more background info. too. :thumbsup:
 

Not Andy Naylor

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I wish him well - saints did some “interesting transfer“ business in the summer spending over £80m on very young players (most 18-20) including half of Man City youth team - as Alan Hansen said you don’t win anything with kids
If City were willing to let them go, then I doubt there's a Phil Foden among them. They all looked poor to average against Newcastle on Sunday.
 

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