[Travel] Mick lynch

[Thunder Bolt]

Mick Lynch is an outstanding trade unionist, unflappability in front of an aggressive press and political class who have all backed off in recent weeks for fear of being found wanting by Mick Lynch

Which is why the Sun did a hatchet job on him today. Luckily not many people believe the Sun.

 

[Kinky Gerbils]

No, it’s a way of weaselling out of the question. You can take a median or give a total within those parameters

Seems happy enough to name their demands on the top end.

For all the protesting on here, the public opinion is turning on the train strikes, especially when using the line they are doing it for everyone, im sure the pubs/bars etc strongly agree, not.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Christmas is a time that those reliant upon rail and post will not forget the suffering and loss they endure.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Seems happy enough to name their demands on the top end.

For all the protesting on here, the public opinion is turning on the train strikes, especially when using the line they are doing it for everyone, im sure the pubs/bars etc strongly agree, not.

Exactly the same as the pre lockdown strikes on Southern. Just selfish. What about the jobs and pay of all the people who need to travel to work and the days out of those that want to travel to spend money and boost the economy

 

[Kinky Gerbils]

Exactly the same as the pre lockdown strikes on Southern. Just selfish. What about the jobs and pay of all the people who need to travel to work and the days out of those that want to travel to spend money and boost the economy

They are of course within their rights to strike and ask for whatever they want, but they shouldn’t get offended or angry when asked about the impact on others.

I imagine part the reason they get touchy over it is they are not really affecting their targets, they are all WFH.



Ross Lydall
@RossLydall


Rail strike has left the City of London a virtual ghost town. This great Fuller’s pub had 196 cancellations today and only three people in at lunchtime.

 

[Questions]

I like Madeley. Shame he doesn't get more airtime on radio or TV.

Which is why the Sun did a hatchet job on him today. Luckily not many people believe the Sun.

I read the main headline and first column……

He’s a militant trade union leader on 84k a year.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They are of course within their rights to strike and ask for whatever they want, but they shouldn’t get offended or angry when asked about the impact on others.

I imagine part the reason they get touchy over it is they are not really affecting their targets, they are all WFH.



Ross Lydall
@RossLydall


Rail strike has left the City of London a virtual ghost town. This great Fuller’s pub had 196 cancellations today and only three people in at lunchtime.

I think you may have been serially whooshed by @Guinness Boy .

Personally I agree with all strikes, apart from those that adversely affect me, personally, in which case I oppose the selfish b'stards, with all my being.

 

[rogersix]

Seems happy enough to name their demands on the top end.

For all the protesting on here, the public opinion is turning on the train strikes, especially when using the line they are doing it for everyone, im sure the pubs/bars etc strongly agree, not.

any figures at all?

 

[rogersix]

Christmas is a time that those reliant upon rail and post will not forget the suffering and loss they endure.

they'll be muttering, "bloody tories"

 

[jackalbion]

yes, along with Southern, Southeastern, Northern, Scottish services and some others. careful though, there's also a DCO classification, which is DOO with a second staff on the train not involved in the train dispatch.

DOO may be unacceptable to RMT, right up until they give in. it was interesting how they claimed this is a new issue brought up last week, then had 3 films out against DOO the day after. its always and continuously an issue in rail disputes.

Southern, Southeastern and Northern is are not exclusively DOO, but are DOO on certain sections, for good reason on certain section. Thameslink and Great Northern encounter a lot of DOO related issues.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I read the main headline and first column……

He’s a militant trade union leader on 84k a year.

About the same wage as an MP, without claiming all the expenses. He is democratically elected by the members and paid by the members.
He isn’t claiming his wage on strike days.

 

[jackalbion]

Absolutely.


Keep seeing plenty of gammons on twitter exclaiming that DOO is modernising the railway,
What actual benefit is it supposed to be?

There isn’t, most of the people on this thread talk crap and have no concept with how the railways are run, or know the current state of affairs of the network. The reason for most of the mismanagement is down to an ideological obsession by multiple Tory administrations to privatise everything and give their mates the big contracts to run them, or even more strangely giving the profits to a foreign government. Just try to parrot the lines of the tories, or go on about how they earned all their money etc.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Christmas is a time that those reliant upon rail and post will not forget the suffering and loss they endure.

Or thinking “fantastic, got an excuse to not visit all those f***ing relatives now”

 

[Peteinblack]

I read the main headline and first column……

He’s a militant trade union leader on 84k a year.

How much are the bosses and shareholders of the railways companies paid (the people saying they can't afford a decent pay rise), or the Right-wing journalists smearing Mick Lynch? Much, much, more, I bet.

Funny how people try to score a political point about the 'exorbitant' salary of an elected trade union leader - they never say 'Company boss on £3 million says s/he can't afford to pay their staff the minimum age", "Journalist on £250,000 condemns greedy low-paid workers", or "Multi-millionaires Jacob Rees-Mogg and Rishi Sunak condemn people reliant on welfare benefits."

Similarly, wealthy individuals or large companies who threaten to emigrate or relocate if they are threatened with higher taxes are never accused of being 'selfish' or 'holding the country to ransom'.

Allegations of 'greed', 'militancy' or 'selfishness' are only ever targetted at ordinary working-people and trade unions, never the fat-cats in Britain's boardrooms, bankers in 'the City', or shareholders who expect massive dividends every year as of right, even when their company has made a loss (just sack some more workers, and use their wages to fund the dividend pay-out).

The Sun's vicious personal attacks on Mick Lynch yesterday showed that it is not a proper newspaper, but a deranged ranting political propaganda rag - it would not be out of place in North Korea smearing 'dissidents' and urging the government to crack-down on the 'unpatriotic wreckers'. Tragically, The Sun is the most popular among the working-class - they love seeing other workers, trade unions, immigrants, the unemployed, feminists, students, and liberals, being slagged-off and ridiculed; a 'patriotic' newspaper owned by a billionaire who is not British, and does not live in Britain - but tells the British working-class what to think and how to vote.

Still, this is what the Right do constantly - hysterical ad hominem attacks on individuals (play the wo/man, not the ball). They did it to Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone, Arthur Scargill (who I didn't like, by the way), Jeremy Corbyn, and now its Mick Lynch's turn to face the vicious Right-wing media-fuelled hate campaign - along with Meghan Markle!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

How much are the bosses and shareholders of the railways companies paid (the people saying they can't afford a decent pay rise), or the Right-wing journalists smearing Mick Lynch? Much, much, more, I bet.

Funny how people try to score a political point about the 'exorbitant' salary of an elected trade union leader - they never say 'Company boss on £3 million says s/he can't afford to pay their staff the minimum age", "Journalist on £250,000 condemns greedy low-paid workers", or "Multi-millionaires Jacob Rees-Mogg and Rishi Sunak condemn lazy people reliant on welfare benefits."

Similarly, wealthy individuals or large companies who threaten to emigrate or relocate if they are threatened with higher taxes are never accused of being 'selfish' or 'holding the country to ransom'.

Allegations of 'greed', 'militancy' or 'selfishness' are only ever targetted at ordinary working-people and trade unions, never the fat-cats in Britain's boardrooms, bankers in 'the City', or shareholders who expect massive dividends every year as of right, even when their company has made a loss (just sack some more workers, and use their wages to fund the dividend pay-out).

The Sun's vicious personal attacks on Mick Lynch yesterday showed that it is not a proper newspaper, but a deranged ranting political propaganda rag - it would not be out of place in North Korea smearing 'dissidents' and urging the government to crack-down on the 'unpatriotic wreckers'.

But then this is what the Right so - hysterical ad hominem attacks on individuals (play the wo/man, not the ball). They did it to Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone, Arthur Scargill (who I didn't like, by the way), Jeremy Corbyn, and now its Mick Lynch's turn to face the Right-wing media-fuelled hate campaign - along with Meghan Markle!

Totally agree.
I don’t think £84,000 per year is over the top for the level of responsibility he has.

and in terms of the wealthy individuals thing, I will never buy a Dyson product again after he shifted everything to Singapore having been a prime Brexiteer, or have any time for the bloke who is going to build the Land Rover Discovery replacement - the Grenadier - another Brexiteer who was buying a factory in Bridgend with loads of grants and so on, and then threw it all up to buy a factory in Hambach, France.
arch hypocrites both of them.

 

[Deadly Danson]

How much are the bosses and shareholders of the railways companies paid (the people saying they can't afford a decent pay rise), or the Right-wing journalists smearing Mick Lynch? Much, much, more, I bet.

Funny how people try to score a political point about the 'exorbitant' salary of an elected trade union leader - they never say 'Company boss on £3 million says s/he can't afford to pay their staff the minimum age", "Journalist on £250,000 condemns greedy low-paid workers", or "Multi-millionaires Jacob Rees-Mogg and Rishi Sunak condemn people reliant on welfare benefits."

Similarly, wealthy individuals or large companies who threaten to emigrate or relocate if they are threatened with higher taxes are never accused of being 'selfish' or 'holding the country to ransom'.

Allegations of 'greed', 'militancy' or 'selfishness' are only ever targetted at ordinary working-people and trade unions, never the fat-cats in Britain's boardrooms, bankers in 'the City', or shareholders who expect massive dividends every year as of right, even when their company has made a loss (just sack some more workers, and use their wages to fund the dividend pay-out).

The Sun's vicious personal attacks on Mick Lynch yesterday showed that it is not a proper newspaper, but a deranged ranting political propaganda rag - it would not be out of place in North Korea smearing 'dissidents' and urging the government to crack-down on the 'unpatriotic wreckers'. Tragically, The Sun is the most popular among the working-class - they love seeing other workers, trade unions, immigrants, the unemployed, feminists, students, and liberals, being slagged-off and ridiculed; a 'patriotic' newspaper owned by a billionaire who is not British, and does not live in Britain - but tells the British working-class what to think and how to vote.

Still, this is what the Right do constantly - hysterical ad hominem attacks on individuals (play the wo/man, not the ball). They did it to Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone, Arthur Scargill (who I didn't like, by the way), Jeremy Corbyn, and now its Mick Lynch's turn to face the vicious Right-wing media-fuelled hate campaign - along with Meghan Markle!

Brilliantly put and completely correct. Shame on those choosing to side with this wretched government over the working people fighting for their rights.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Brilliantly put and completely correct. Shame on those choosing to side with this wretched government over the working people fighting for their rights.

It’s baffles me how anyone can do this. It really does.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Totally agree.
I don’t think £84,000 per year is over the top for the level of responsibility he has.

and in terms of the wealthy individuals thing, I will never buy a Dyson product again after he shifted everything to Singapore having been a prime Brexiteer, or have any time for the bloke who is going to build the Land Rover Discovery replacement - the Grenadier - another Brexiteer who was buying a factory in Bridgend with loads of grants and so on, and then threw it all up to buy a factory in Hambach, France.
arch hypocrites both of them.

Well quite.

£84k is a good screw obviously, but seeing as we're constantly told (lied to) that his members earn between £55k and £74k it's hardly a massive hike in comparison to his members.
How does it compare to the ratio between the middle salary of the TOCs employees and the various chief executive's pay?

 

[jackalbion]

Well quite.

£84k is a good screw obviously, but seeing as we're constantly told (lied to) that his members earn between £55k and £74k it's hardly a massive hike in comparison to his members.
How does it compare to the ratio between the middle salary of the TOCs employees and the various chief executive's pay?

Middle salaries are well below that

 

[portslade seagull]

About the same wage as an MP, without claiming all the expenses. He is democratically elected by the members and paid by the members.
He isn’t claiming his wage on strike days.

On 84k a year does it matter if he doesn't claim his wage on strike days, big deal. Try explaining that to the thousands of workers in the retail and catering sector who will lose their jobs