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Swansman

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May 13, 2019
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Or maybe as everyone keeps saying it’s just business and the rest is just the circus sideshow
Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
 

Springal

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Feb 12, 2005
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Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
It is what it is , all part of the game. As long as it doesn’t go to far (and it didn’t) I’m sure they’ll deal with it. I also reckon money was a huge factor to Bruno & Ben R and it’s a bit sad that they wanted to ruin their legacy (Bruno especially) for that.

Glenn Murray got pelters from us at Palace and he came back and did a job for us…

It’s all about context - Ben White largely got ignored or small round of applause when he came back, Bissouma was doing ok until he smashed Alexis so I think Brighton fans largely get it right. But like Poyet and those he took, those attached to Potter and that ghastly club Chelsea need to know what fans think of ‘loadsa money’ clubs
 

Paulie Gualtieri

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May 8, 2018
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Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
Legend status doesn’t come easy? It never has.

People leave for many reasons although the welcome back door depends on the timing, manner and content of leaving, not forgetting the narrative between the time of leaving and coming back.

Some of this isn’t Graham’s fault personally but he will need to accept the fact he is the figure head.

I will be forever grateful for his time here and how he changed our approach, but the manner in how it was wrapped up relatively quickly and timing doesn’t sit well with me, i suspect talks were being had before the Leicester game. The booing in the most part from me was the situation overall with Chelsea, potter has a responsibility to this and more so does Cucurella who down tools a little too early

Brighton fans don’t take kindly to being walked over, maybe it isn’t us who need the history lesson?
 

Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
It's hitting a good medium for me.

In the "good old days" it was ok at some grounds to chuck bananas at black players or sell NF magazines outside the ground and boo anyone darker than Erling Haaland whenever they touched the ball. Games between teams with a bit of needle in would see coins chucked relentlessly at players who'd be reminded in song if their Mrs had put it about. Fighting in and around grounds was common. And then came Hillsborough, the mass use of E among young working class blokes, all seaters and then the Premier League. And at some point everyone lost their hardcore and face painting, clapping the away attendance and being nice to visiting superstars took over, at least here.

Absolutely delighted, therefore, that our crowd has at last got its edge back and realised that giving visiting players stick while vociferously backing our own players and managers just might squeeze a few more points out of a season. And we've managed to do it without racism or chucking coins or jumping on the pitch to confront people. The perfect balance. If darling Cucurella-poos gets upset by a few boos and some naughty words on Insta he's probably in the wrong game, and definitely lucky to be in the right era.
 


Jim in the West

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Sep 13, 2003
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Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
I actually think most BHA fans would welcome Bruno back very quickly. He got booed yesterday because he's part of the Chelsea hijack of BHA. If he'd stayed for a few weeks, but then gone to (say) Arsenal, there is absolutely no way that he would get booed on his return.

Personally I was really pissed off when he went, as I thought he could provide some sort of much-needed stability/continuity when everyone else was jumping ship - and he was a real hero to me. But I can also accept that (a) he had no ongoing job security at BHA, and (b) the role at Chelsea represented a great opportunity for him. When the dust settles we'll all have a much better perspective.
 
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If he had stayed with us there was more than a decent chance of making the Spanish world cup squad. His form seems to have fallen off a cliff with Chelski and that dream now seems in tatters
 

Swansman

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May 13, 2019
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I actually think most BHA fans would welcome Bruno back very quickly. He got booed yesterday because he's part of the Chelsea hijack of BHA. If he'd stayed for a few weeks, but then gone to (say) Arsenal, there is absolutely no way that he would get booed on his return.

Personally I was really pissed off when he went, as I thought he could provide some sort of much-needed stability/continuity when everyone else was jumping ship - and he was a real hero to me. But I can also accept that (a) he had no ongoing job security at BHA, and (b) the role at Chelsea represented a great opportunity for him. When the dust settles we'll all have a much better perspective.
Yup naturally the case... time heals nearly every wound.
I think if Brighton have a poor season at some point, maybe in five years or something, get relegated to the Championship and a certain GP is out of a job... even he would be quite welcome back by not so few of the ones who are currently angry.

Same if the team really needs a left-back some day and Cucurella happens to available. Plenty would probably think "ok, could do worse than that".
 

Seasider78

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Nov 14, 2004
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Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
If graham and his chums can’t take a bit of a boo at the football they are probably in the wrong industry and have certainly joined the wrong club.
 

jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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If he had stayed with us there was more than a decent chance of making the Spanish world cup squad. His form seems to have fallen off a cliff with Chelski and that dream now seems in tatters
He looks absolutely bereft. He has started four games recently as a wide centre back - his heat map shows his average position is almost at the half way line, almost on the touchline. Then he has a 38 year old centre back behind him. It’s absolutely bonkers tactically.

In those four games, he has been subbed off in the 35th minute, half time, 55th and 60th minute respectively and has been given the runaround by every single winger he has faced. Including our Solly, who much as I love him, is not exactly a world class £65m winger.

Early days but it looks a truly dire bit of business for them so far.
 

Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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I find it amusing that for all the dozens of threads about the shit atmos at the Amex, we finally roar the lads home to a deserved three points and there are people complaining that there is *too much* atmosphere. Jesus wept
This. Home atmos seriously spooked the visitors, who included half a dozen of 'ours' who might have fondly imagined that they would receive a quiet ripple of applause, respectively reciprocated.

No way did they expect THAT response from the Amex :clap:
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Yeah everyone looking outside-in says that and everyone actually involved says "we're human". Just look at the Wrexham thing or any other decent football documentary and you'll find it is "funny sideshow" if you're a fan and less so if you're a player or manager getting shit poured over them and their kids getting bullied and recieving shit on social media etc.

In some clubs, legends are treated like legends and that makes them more likely to come back and do their outmost for the club. If you look at the most successful clubs in the world (less so in England tbf), they've been able to retain the competence of players and ex-players. You play hundreds of games for a club, get treated as a legend even if you move somewhere or oversee a few bad performances, and then you can always return with a full desire to the best for the club.

That is slowly changing everywhere though. Unfortunately in my opinion but perhaps a logical development aligning with rest of society - people love to be angry, upset, offended and pissed off and will take every opportunity to do that. Much easier than to be grateful and that goes for football fans to: you have a choice between celebrating ten years of hard, successful work or you have the opportunity to boo someone for making a decision to move on after those ten years, and most go with the latter. IMO it is a part of what ruins modern football as it really shows the massive distance between players/staff & those in the stands (and this goes both ways; footballers struggle to identify with fans who won't treat them as humans and fans struggle to warm to people who live in a different bubble), but you know.. it is what it is.
My view has always been that swathes of completely law abiding and generally passive folk with no hidden nastiness, become 'animals' at football matches. I think it's been that way since Sheffield FC first kicked a ball in front of a cloth-capped crowd in 1857. Plenty of swearing, baiting the opposition and schadenfreude.

There was a fascinating documentary on the history of the game, I think on the BBC about 20 or 25 years ago, with rare footage and eyewitness accounts. They showed swaying terraces in Victorian/Edwardian times mocking opposition goalies, clever sarcastic chants and bitter rivalries.

Yesterday was just another moment in that boisterous history.
 

birthofanorange

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Aug 31, 2011
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Yup naturally the case... time heals nearly every wound.
I think if Brighton have a poor season at some point, maybe in five years or something, get relegated to the Championship and a certain GP is out of a job... even he would be quite welcome back by not so few of the ones who are currently angry.

Same if the team really needs a left-back some day and Cucurella happens to available. Plenty would probably think "ok, could do worse than that".
I see you're still banging-on - how have the Chelsea lot taken to you on their forum? Have you told them of your Potter fetish, yet, and how they're lucky to have him?
 

Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
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Chelsea fans don't seem happy with him playing at LCB. I'd note that his effectiveness in that role for us at the end of last season coincided with Caicedo coming into the team. The energy of Moises and Bissouma in a double pivot and the solid partnership of Dunk and Veltman alongside him allowed Cucurella some freedom from his defensive role and he overloaded on the left to great effect. With Kante injury troubled, Chelsea don't have midfielders with the same defensive strengths and their best centre back is pushing 40. As a result Cucurella is currently being used as a more traditional centre back. Unsurprisingly, at 5'7'' and having played in the position only about a dozen times in his career, he's not as good at this as a lot of actual centre backs are.
 

Swansman

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May 13, 2019
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I see you're still banging-on - how have the Chelsea lot taken to you on their forum? Have you told them of your Potter fetish, yet, and how they're lucky to have him?
I've made 10 or so posts on their forum in the last month but no real idea how they feel about me as I'm not really interested in what they've got to say as they're apart from the odd good apple seems like dull and permanently angry wankers, so you'll have to ask the people here who waste time surfing and taking print shoots of their forum.
 

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