Man Utd pathetic

[adrian29uk]

On Talksport, just talking about how the Green and Gold supporters are now targeting business and asking them not to invest in any more money in the club. Is it not this business that has bought them glory in the first place?

What exactly do the Green and Gold brigade want? If they are true to their word and want to get back to basics, do you think they would mind starting next season in the conference?

They really don't have a bloody clue what its like in the real world of football do they. May be we should sell up Old Trafford and get them to travel 110 miles for every home game, and then after a few years bring them back to an athletics stadium in Manchester with temp stands and no roof, how would they like that lol.

 

[Simster]

If Albion were playing in the Premiership in a stadium that held 10,000 (and you were lucky enough to be a STH), and competing for a place in Europe regularly, and you didn't like the owners because they had needlessly saddled the club with debt, how exactly would you protest?

I'm just curious, because you have to accept any direct action by their supporters would mean having season tickets revoked and joining the back of a ten year waiting list to have them again.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

So what's the answer? Should fans just accept that the owners can use the football club for whatever purpose they want? And no-one should murmur any criticism, as long as the team keeps winning?

 

[Simster]

So what's the answer? Should fans just accept that the owners can use the football club for whatever purpose they want? And no-one should murmur any criticism, as long as the team keeps winning?

That's the question I'm asking. But before sanctimoneously having a pop at their fans, we have to consider that the price some of them might pay for the sort of actions Albion fans undertook in the 90s would mean them never seeing their club play again. As far as I'm concerned, they're doing a better job of protesting than the bin dippers - it's just that Liverpool's owners buckled early.

 

[adrian29uk]

The only way to get rid of the debt is to start a new team, but how many of these supporters in all honesty would do that. Would they be prepared to leave Man Utd and start again?

So if the glazers did go, would the club still not be saddled with this debt? So what I am saying is what is their point of protesting?

 

[DJ Leon]

So what's the answer? Should fans just accept that the owners can use the football club for whatever purpose they want? And no-one should murmur any criticism, as long as the team keeps winning?

Well that's what ManU fans did, no? They embraced the idea that ANYONE could buy their club because it gave them loads of money to spend and to help them keep winning.

What is it they want?

 

[Superphil]

The only way to get rid of the debt is to start a new team, but how many of these supporters in all honesty would do that. Would they be prepared to leave Man Utd and start again?

So if the glazers did go, would the club still not be saddled with this debt? So what I am saying is what is their point of protesting?

All ready been done, FC United of Manchester.

And I concur with other comment here, just because they are Man U fans, doesn't mean they don't love their club any more or less than we love the Albion. Money men are conspiring to wreck their club, albeit in a different way that A***** tried to ruin ours. They are fans, like we are fans, good luck to them I say.

 

[adrian29uk]

Well that's what ManU fans did, no? They embraced the idea that ANYONE could buy their club because it gave them loads of money to spend and to help them keep winning.

What is it they want?

Exactly my point. What the hell do they want. This Green and Gold is more a fashion statement than actually making a stand.

 

[SW17]

[. May be we should sell up Old Trafford and get them to travel 110 miles for every home game]

To be fair going from the Home Counties to Old Trafford probably covers this! I do wonder how many people from the South of England used to go and watch Newton Heath though.

 

[house your seagull]

the way i see it is, as mentioned previously, they have another team in FC United who adhere to ethics not seen anywhere else in english football.

they stand as an effective, productive and powerful boycott function, yet most of these fans don't have the bollocks to watch them ... many Rags thought that FC United were not supporting Manchester United by defecting. That to me sounds like they mis-understand the premise of FC.

Boycotting the games at OT is not a problem for season ticket holders anyway, they can flog their tickets to the Japanese, Irish and Norwegians who will pay mega-bucks to go to a game at OT, but remain on the season ticket register.

Maybe it us and our - rightly so - feeling of 'you don't know how good you've got it', but they're an arrogant bunch of twats and frankly, i think most of the football fan community in this country is laughing at them.

 

[El Presidente]

Some United fans have been very active.

The Green and Gold is for the prawn sandwich brigade who can afford the 60% increases in ticket prices and the automatic cup direct debit rip-off since the Glazers took over, but there are very active groups who have done things such as the setting up of FC United, the targeting of sponsors, refusal to buy from the club shop, and they are trying a boycott of season tickets, with a tacit agreement from Keith Harris and the Red Knights that if the Glazers do sell up then they will be put to the front of the queue.

The 10 year wait for a season ticket is a myth, as capacity has increased and lots of fans have been priced out of OT you can now get one a lot easier.

 

[Garage_Doors]

Some United fans have been very active.

The Green and Gold is for the prawn sandwich brigade who can afford the 60% increases in ticket prices and the automatic cup direct debit rip-off since the Glazers took over, but there are very active groups who have done things such as the setting up of FC United, the targeting of sponsors, refusal to buy from the club shop, and they are trying a boycott of season tickets, with a tacit agreement from Keith Harris and the Red Knights that if the Glazers do sell up then they will be put to the front of the queue.

The 10 year wait for a season ticket is a myth, as capacity has increased and lots of fans have been priced out of OT you can now get one a lot easier.

Listening on Talksport, so don’t shoot the messenger!, but when talking about the myth of not being able to get a ticket for a home MAn U game, they quoted that not a single game at Old Trafford this season has sold out, including the Derby games, and stated that last time there was a sell out at Old Trafford was at a game in October 08.
Tickets are available for those who want them, but most would rather stay in their chairs.

 

[Easy 10]

Obviously the Green & Gold campaign is primarily aimed at removing the Glaziers, but are they also pushing to have the "Red Knights" take over the club ?

How much do they know about these Red Knights ? You're talking about a large group of wealthy businessmen, bankers and lawyers (about 50), all clubbing together to buy the club from the Glaziers. No doubt they'll all want a say on how the clubs run. Who's to say they'll be any better for the club than the current regime ? Because you can guarantee they'll be looking for a return on their investment as well.

 

[TonyW]

So what's the answer? Should fans just accept that the owners can use the football club for whatever purpose they want? And no-one should murmur any criticism, as long as the team keeps winning?

Correct.

Support the team, and stick your nose out of the business side of things - that's got nothing to do with the fans!

 

[Easy 10]

Correct.

Support the team, and stick your nose out of the business side of things - that's got nothing to do with the fans!

Are you serious ?

 

[Perkino]

Oh poor Man Utd. The richest club in the world, in terms of the money they make not the chairman who owns them, and they can't even balance the books.
It's Abromivich's fault that they are so debt ridden. He just pays for Chelsea's debt straight away and Man Utd keep spending to stay ahead. so It's kinda self inflicted.

They shouldn't spend out of their capabilities, with the millions that they make through gate receipts and merchandise they should be able to pay their players. If they can't then they need a new chairman who will oversee monies sensibly.

Their fans could always do what ours have done at the protest of Withdean and not bother to get any tickets in a time that the club are desperate for their support. But then come back when a new Stadium is built and blame Withdean for all our prior difficulties.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

the way i see it is, as mentioned previously, they have another team in FC United who adhere to ethics not seen anywhere else in english football.

they stand as an effective, productive and powerful boycott function, yet most of these fans don't have the bollocks to watch them ... many Rags thought that FC United were not supporting Manchester United by defecting. That to me sounds like they mis-understand the premise of FC.

Fc United are doing very well, they now have their finances in place for their own stadium. many of their supporters are from other clubs and are fed up with £100000k a week footballers or paying £25 to be spoken to like a dog by some spotty 16 year old steward

 

[Storer68]

The only way to get rid of the debt is to start a new team, but how many of these supporters in all honesty would do that. Would they be prepared to leave Man Utd and start again?

So if the glazers did go, would the club still not be saddled with this debt? So what I am saying is what is their point of protesting?

Let me introduce to F C United http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/

and you ask what is the point of protesting. Well, do you really think we would be building at Falmer if we had accepted the situation in 1996?

 

[Storer68]

Correct.

Support the team, and stick your nose out of the business side of things - that's got nothing to do with the fans!

If only we had taken such SENSIBLE advice in 1996.

 

[Storer68]

Oh poor Man Utd. The richest club in the world, in terms of the money they make not the chairman who owns them, and they can't even balance the books.
It's Abromivich's fault that they are so debt ridden. He just pays for Chelsea's debt straight away and Man Utd keep spending to stay ahead. so It's kinda self inflicted.

They shouldn't spend out of their capabilities, with the millions that they make through gate receipts and merchandise they should be able to pay their players. If they can't then they need a new chairman who will oversee monies sensibly.

Their fans could always do what ours have done at the protest of Withdean and not bother to get any tickets in a time that the club are desperate for their support. But then come back when a new Stadium is built and blame Withdean for all our prior difficulties.

Has there been a protest at Withdean? I have to admit I missed that one!