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[Albion] Luton/Spurs/Sheff Utd away tickets











S.T.U cgull

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Jan 17, 2009
435
HILLLLLLL
Go to more games and get in the top tier..... - Fans who have 246 points won't have been people who've been to 2/3 away games this year and had a season ticket for 2 seasons. - the scheme protects against this.

You're no more of a fan than anyone else..
If points halve every season-end & then points are applied for each away fixture - then somebody on 246ish would be in the category I describe - either that or a STH of a few years only who has been to every* away fixture.

The logic of applying tier 2 = 25% STHs minus allocation is somewhat different on a 1000 allocation to that of standard PL 3000.

Example as thus.. Applying a 90% take up of allocation on day 1 of sales…

STH 22,000? Minus 1000 allocation /4 = 5,250 chasing 100 tickets (10% leftover)

STH 22,000? Minus 3000 allocation /4 = 4,750 chasing 300 tickets (10% leftover)

So for Luton you have up to 52 people chasing each seat & a normal PL away about 15 - if all of Tier 2 were to try…
That is a big differential - if the scheme is designed to reward loyalty then its current format does need review..

Anyhow - good luck to anyone who did make it - I just hope we do not apply same logic if a 1000 allocation occurs in Europe..!
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
10,662
But you're comfortably in tier 1 for Spurs and Sheffield United, as well as many other games over the season. The system has been in place for many years and some will always be just below the cut off and moaning about the system.

One of the gripes previously was that the system was a closed shop, if you look at the wider picture the banding in this instance does give those with fewer points than you an opportunity to get a few more points, given the random queuing.

Still no doubt you bagged 20 points for Spurs and Sheffield Utd to move very close to 400 points.
Yeah I get what you're saying, but for those on >350 LP, it's a bit galling to be in a lottery with 5000? potential others for a slim chance of a ticket.

For a relatively local game, which had less available tickets than we regularly take to cup/northern games , it might have been more appropriate to have set a morning window, for the next 10% of loyalty pts, and then the lottery for the handful which may have been left after that.

I still would have missed out.
But I'm sure there are a few people who do a very high percentage of away games that would have missed out on this one.
 




I'm going to copy @Barry Izbak in here as, when I asked about how the tiers worked, the club said they'd be happy to engage with the FAB to discuss if tiering can be handled better for low-allocation fixtures.

I'm not sure what the answer is, so I won't propose a solution, but there's an opportunity for some dialogue if there's appetite for it.
I would feel for the FAB on this one - it would be essentially pitting the interests of one group of fans over another group of fans if they took a hard and fast position over it, I dunno if that's really their role to do that. Certainly engagement by them with the ticket office hierachy to get the maximum possible info can never be a bad thing tho
 




Silver flying chariot

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Aug 5, 2003
461
If points halve every season-end & then points are applied for each away fixture - then somebody on 246ish would be in the category I describe - either that or a STH of a few years only who has been to every* away fixture.

The logic of applying tier 2 = 25% STHs minus allocation is somewhat different on a 1000 allocation to that of standard PL 3000.

Example as thus.. Applying a 90% take up of allocation on day 1 of sales…

STH 22,000? Minus 1000 allocation /4 = 5,250 chasing 100 tickets (10% leftover)

STH 22,000? Minus 3000 allocation /4 = 4,750 chasing 300 tickets (10% leftover)

So for Luton you have up to 52 people chasing each seat & a normal PL away about 15 - if all of Tier 2 were to try…
That is a big differential - if the scheme is designed to reward loyalty then its current format does need review..

Anyhow - good luck to anyone who did make it - I just hope we do not apply same logic if a 1000 allocation occurs in Europe..!
Which I completly understand, but control what you can... (which is going to as many games as you can to get in the top tier..) -

It will happen in Europe... The same rules apply for the scheme..
 




peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Brief response. STH tiers are set thus:

Tier 1: The allocation
Tier 2: 25% of STHs
Tier 3: 50% of STHs
Tier 4: All STHs

cc: @Giraffe
There could well be a bit of psychology in the wider tier 2 than if it were much narrower and those near top were almost guaranteed to get a ticket too.

Now those near top with 370 points in a bunfight with those on 250 points, will keep buying away days to squeeze into top tier, likewise those near bottom of tier 2 who get a chance, and at top of tier 3 who just miss out, will also be compelled to buy more.
 


There could well be a bit of psychology in the wider tier 2 than if it were much narrower and those near top were almost guaranteed to get a ticket too.

Now those near top with 370 points in a bunfight with those on 250 points, will keep buying away days to squeeze into top tier, likewise those near bottom of tier 2 who get a chance, and at top of tier 3 who just miss out, will also be compelled to buy more.
Totally agree - there are greater incentives across the board for all than just making it more of a closed shop. And I usually love closed shops
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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the point is, someone with 246 points isn't likely to be someone who hasn't made an effort to go to games continually. They will have have either had a season ticket for a minimum of two seasons and done every away game for last 2 years, or they are someone who's had a season ticket for 10 years and done 4 away games..(or somewhere in-between) either way, hardly someone you can claim isn't really a Brighton fan. - The amount of people who complain about the scheme about their entitled ticket requirements is ridiculous - Understand how the scheme works and do your best to get in the top tier....

These constant posts "bashing the scheme" all the time, saying its a farce etc etc are just getting ridiculous IMO.
The point remains there will have been people who have done the vast majority of away games for two seasons who might have missed out.
Considering our cup runs last season, European jollies and the number of local away days this season.
Getting 246 points for a long term STH, who has previously never travelled to cup/away games will have been relatively easy.
 




ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
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Just far enough away from LDC
Far be it for me to challenge a statistical genius like Tony Bloom who I believe had a very strong hand in designing this scheme.

The tier 2 approach is basically balancing 2 demands. Either a smaller closed shop of people to compete for whats available after tier 1 or to provide an opportunity to widen the chances for people to go and therefore improve their standing.

I wanted 3 luton tickets and the points we had were 374, 370 and 365. I didnt get any but actually I am ok with that. I do actually more support the idea of sharing the love around to a wider fan group bearing in mind that these arent likely to be once a year away fans but will have been to maybe a third to a half over the last 2 years.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
10,662
There could well be a bit of psychology in the wider tier 2 than if it were much narrower and those near top were almost guaranteed to get a ticket too.

Now those near top with 370 points in a bunfight with those on 250 points, will keep buying away days to squeeze into top tier, likewise those near bottom of tier 2 who get a chance, and at top of tier 3 who just miss out, will also be compelled to buy more.
This is definitely the case.
I missed out on Brentford last season, which was irritating, I definitely upped the number of games I would normally chose as a consequence
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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Far be it for me to challenge a statistical genius like Tony Bloom who I believe had a very strong hand in designing this scheme.

The tier 2 approach is basically balancing 2 demands. Either a smaller closed shop of people to compete for whats available after tier 1 or to provide an opportunity to widen the chances for people to go and therefore improve their standing.

I wanted 3 luton tickets and the points we had were 374, 370 and 365. I didnt get any but actually I am ok with that. I do actually more support the idea of sharing the love around to a wider fan group bearing in mind that these arent likely to be once a year away fans but will have been to maybe a third to a half over the last 2 years.
Cup runs last season and European games this season, will mean that much less than a third of aways will have been required for long standing season ticket holders.

e.g.
Last Season
Arsenal away Crabao = 15pts
Charlton Away Carabao = 10 pts
Liverpool Home FA cup = 10 pts
Grimsby Home Fa cup = 10 pts
Wembley FA cup = 5pt

Pts brought Forward = 25pt
+STH 8+ years = 200 pts

+Europa league Home games = 15pts ( i haven't checked this, but assume this was the case)
+Chelsea Away league cup = 10 pts.

Total = 250pts

So 4 london trips in the cups and doing all the home games would have been comfortably enough.

Sure that's a loyal fan, no complaints.
But it isn't the example you have cited.
 
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S.T.U cgull

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Jan 17, 2009
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Which I completly understand, but control what you can... (which is going to as many games as you can to get in the top tier..) -

It will happen in Europe... The same rules apply for the scheme..

Dont disagree - regrettably the formula for away games was only disclosed widely across this forum in the lead-up to this sale window.. If we knew the math I imagine many would have upped their attendance
 


studio150

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Jul 30, 2011
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On the Border
Anyhow - good luck to anyone who did make it - I just hope we do not apply same logic if a 1000 allocation occurs in Europe..!
Europe is different due to the need to pre register your interest for going, so the club have a far better idea of how many are likely to try and get a ticket.

Still even with this in place, there will no doubt be loads of complaints if we get Sparta Prague as believe we would get an allocation of around 950.
 


Info for the Tier 3s - rush died down by now surely and looks around 370 Spurs left and obvs too many to count Sheff Utd
 


EliasTaproot

Member
Oct 31, 2022
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Yeah. I've only been to Chelsea (A) this season and Luton will be a new ground. Looking forward to it. UTA

This checks out, if you followed us during the shit years you'd know that Lutons ground is an absolute shithole and not a fun day out at all :LOL:
 




Silver flying chariot

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Aug 5, 2003
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The point remains there will have been people who have done the vast majority of away games for two seasons who might have missed out.
Considering our cup runs last season, European jollies and the number of local away days this season.
Getting 246 points for a long term STH, who has previously never travelled to cup/away games will have been relatively easy.
you're trying to make out there's "better" fans than others... Ultimately, they are all Brighton fans, there's no better or wors "I've been recently so I deserve a ticket" just as much as "i went when we were shit so I deserve a ticket"

End of the day, the scheme rules are fairly clear and by in large accommodates most.

As I keep saying, if you want a ticket, get in the top tier.... You can get there and its possible to work your way up.
 


peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Info for the Tier 3s - rush died down by now surely and looks around 370 Spurs left and obvs too many to count Sheff Utd
And re: Sheff United with cup game coming too, its 10% of allocation or 3k tickets for PL games and up to 15% where demand exists for FA Cup, so don't reckon anyone will have too much trouble with cup tickets?
 


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