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Bevendean Hillbilly

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Tough-on-drugs policy 'pointless'

Julian Critchley argues all drugs should be made legal
Britain's policy of being tough on drugs is "pointless", says a former civil servant who once ran the Cabinet's anti-drugs unit.

Julian Critchley now believes the best way to reduce the harm to society from drugs would be to legalise them.

Mr Critchley, who worked with ex-Labour drug tsar Keith Hellawell, said many he had worked alongside felt the same.

They publicly backed government policy but privately believed it was not doing any good, he said.

War on drugs

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme in a media-driven age it was difficult to present a case on what was a complex issue.


He said: "It's much easier to come out with soundbites about being tough on drugs and continuing to crack down on drug dealers when in actual fact we know that doesn't work."

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Ten years ago, the Cabinet Office's Anti-Drug Co-ordination Unit was at the heart of the war on drugs in the UK, co-ordinating policy across all government departments.

Mr Hellawell, the controversial former police chief who went on to accuse Labour ministers of "closing their eyes" to the drugs problem, was appointed in 1998 as the public face of the government's war on drugs. Mr Critchley worked behind the scenes as the unit's director.

In a response to an entry about drugs on BBC home editor Mark Easton's blog, the former senior civil servant wrote that when he started work in the field he did not favour decriminalisation, but as time went on he changed his mind.

"I joined the unit more or less agnostic on drugs policy, being personally opposed to drug use, but open-minded about the best way to deal with the problem. I was certainly not inclined to decriminalise," he said.

But he soon came to the view that enforcement of the law was "largely pointless" and had "no significant, lasting impact on the availability, affordability or use of drugs", he said.

Market 'saturated'

Mr Critchley went on to argue that wishing drug use away was "folly" and that there was "no doubt" there would be a fall in crime as a result of legalisation.



The idea that many people are holding back solely because of a law which they know is already unenforceable is simply ridiculous

"The argument always put forward against this is that there would be a commensurate increase in drug use as a result of legalisation," he said.

"This, it seems to me, is a bogus point: tobacco is a legal drug, whose use is declining, and precisely because it is legal, its users are far more amenable to government control, education programmes and taxation than they would be were it illegal."

Studies showed the market was already almost saturated with drugs, he said, and anyone who wished to purchase the drug of their choice could already do so.

"The idea that many people are holding back solely because of a law which they know is already unenforceable is simply ridiculous," he said.

He also said the "overwhelming majority of professionals" he met, including those from the police, the health service, government and voluntary sectors, held the same view.

"Yet publicly, all those intelligent, knowledgeable people were forced to repeat the nonsensical mantra that the government would be 'tough on drugs', even though they all knew that the government's policy was actually causing harm."
 








Bevendean Hillbilly

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For what its worth so do I.
 


larus

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If drugs wre legalised, and made freely availablle for addicts, this would eliminate so much crime from the country.

How much crime is realted to drugs? Muggings, burglaries etc.
Gangs?
Knife crime?

If you remove the profit from drugs, why should people try to get kids addicted, etc.

We muct accept that we aren't ever going to stop drugs getting ito the county. If we accept that point as a nation, then surely we must decide the best way to limit the effects on both addicts and innocents.

BTW, I don't take drugs and I never want to, so my view is not 'influenced' by that.
 




Les Biehn

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Aug 14, 2005
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If drugs wre legalised, and made freely availablle for addicts, this would eliminate so much crime from the country.

How much crime is realted to drugs? Muggings, burglaries etc.
Gangs?
Knife crime?

If you remove the profit from drugs, why should people try to get kids addicted, etc.

We muct accept that we aren't ever going to stop drugs getting ito the county. If we accept that point as a nation, then surely we must decide the best way to limit the effects on both addicts and innocents.

BTW, I don't take drugs and I never want to, so my view is not 'influenced' by that.

Same here.
 


warsaw

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Jan 28, 2008
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I have come around to the view that we should legalise drugs. Despite high profile drug busts its obvious we cant win the war. So let's take control of it. I hope that the result would be lower demand because going to some sort of authorised outlet won't carry the same kind of 'romance/danger' as involved currently. And crime levels will surely fall dramatically.

Anyone know if any other countries have gone down this route yet, and results?

And perhaps we should turn this into a poll?
 


The Spanish

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Problem is you legalise them and you will have every soppy c u n t in europe beating a path to your door and all the problems that will entail. it will be like Amsterdam x10000 for the scum count. As if Brighton isnt full enough of drop outs drawn to it like a moth to a flame underneath a spoon as it is.

look at the hilarious Worthing cannabis cafe antics to demonstrate how ready we are for a mature and objective re-assessment of our drug laws.

ask yourself if you really want drugs legalised for public health and social reasons or just because you think its groovy and you are a bit scared of going in the Stamner.
 




Bevendean Hillbilly

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Problem is you legalise them and you will have every soppy c u n t in europe beating a path to your door and all the problems that will entail. it will be like Amsterdam x10000 for the scum count. As if Brighton isnt full enough of drop outs drawn to it like a moth to a flame underneath a spoon as it is.

look at the hilarious Worthing cannabis cafe antics to demonstrate how ready we are for a mature and objective re-assessment of our drug laws.

ask yourself if you really want drugs legalised for public health and social reasons or just because you think its groovy and you are a bit scared of going in the Stamner.

Er..public health and social reasons sir?
 


The Spanish

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The social effects of the UK unilaterally liberalising its drug laws far beyond the rest Europe, if not the world, would be catastrophic. That is why it has not happened. It makes sense to have them in within the law but it cannot be done. We could give it a go, but you would not like what would happen.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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The social effects of the UK unilaterally liberalising its drug laws far beyond the rest Europe, if not the world, would be catastrophic. That is why it has not happened. It makes sense to have them in within the law but it cannot be done. We could give it a go, but you would not like what would happen.

The problem is though whether or not we like it we have lost the War on Drugs. Anybody who wants them can get them easily so it is no longer about containment but what do we do to manage the resultant social collapse that we see in so many sections of society.

If Britain were to legalise drugs for registered addicts who would then no longer need to go out robbing then you intantly wipe out the need for an illicit trade with the associated easy cash and consequent violence, in fighting, and theft.

Of course there would be a black market for those not willing to become registered but it would be a lot less likely to result in all these shootings and stabbings related to drug gangs.

Lets stop discussing it as though we have a choice anymore and manage what we have left.
 




The Spanish

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I agree. Blimey no one knows that we have lost the war on drugs better than someone who has spent more than ten minutes in Brighton, which wins the Dugs Death Capital prize with more regularity than the Paddies won the Eurovision Song Contest in the Nineties. A needle and an E should be on the towns coat of arms instead of the soppy dolphins that the groovy gang got rid of.

I dont know the answer of course, I am as thick as f--k. All I know is that if heroin was made legal the next day you would have every heroin addict in the world booking a flight to the UK. What is needed is a sensible approach to illegal drugs, proper investment in education about drugs, proper support and programmes for people nwho are genuinely addicted, and a change in our culture so that every c u n t in the country does not think the best possible time they can have is to be charlied off their tits boring everyone within earshot to death.

There is no need to legalise, but there is not the will to address 'drugs' with either investment or the commitment needed. Legalisation is a cop out in my opinion.
 


beorhthelm

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They publicly backed government policy but privately believed it was not doing any good, he said.

wtf? what ever you think of the issue, you're never going to get far if the people involved in delivering policy dont even believe in it.
 


butchy

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If Britain were to legalise drugs for registered addicts who would then no longer need to go out robbing then you intantly wipe out the need for an illicit trade with the associated easy cash and consequent violence, in fighting, and theft

so just because they are legalised the addicts would suddenly be able to afford them result in less crime? Where would their money come from for these legal hits?
 




barney

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heroin cafes on the seafront? no thanks

that would be the easy way out. "yeah legal drugs would reduce gang wars, stabbings, shootings, robberies etc" don't be so f***ing naive, these types of people who do this would find something new to "beef" over and would still need to fund these drugs (which would probably increase in price due to govt. taxing them grossly).

increase punishment and deterrents, sort the judicial systems out and start putting criminals away for some serious f***ing time in a nasty environment.
 


larus

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heroin cafes on the seafront? no thanks

that would be the easy way out. "yeah legal drugs would reduce gang wars, stabbings, shootings, robberies etc" don't be so f***ing naive, these types of people who do this would find something new to "beef" over and would still need to fund these drugs (which would probably increase in price due to govt. taxing them grossly).

increase punishment and deterrents, sort the judicial systems out and start putting criminals away for some serious f***ing time in a nasty environment.

Right. It's really working so far isn't it. All the time there are huge profits to be made from importing/selling drugs, there will be new people willing to step into the shoes of those put in prison. You need to destroy the market in the first place. If addicts don't have to but drugs but can get them on prescription, why go to drug dealers????

Prohibition never worked. Making things illegal isn't going to work. Taking away the huge profits from the industry, hmm, now there' an idea.
 


butchy

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Right. It's really working so far isn't it. All the time there are huge profits to be made from importing/selling drugs, there will be new people willing to step into the shoes of those put in prison. You need to destroy the market in the first place. If addicts don't have to but drugs but can get them on prescription, why go to drug dealers????

Prohibition never worked. Making things illegal isn't going to work. Taking away the huge profits from the industry, hmm, now there' an idea.

Because the price of drugs would be hugely inflated through taxes (as alcohol and tobacco are) and there will be people selling illegally at a lower cost.

What do you think these drug dealers will do once they have been ousted from the market? Go and work in Tescos on minimum wage? They'll simply move to other sectors of criminality like people traffiking.

Think of all the people who dont do drugs now because they have some moral fibre and want to be on the right side of the law (i.e the majority of the population). Do you really want to live in a society where drug taking is accepted. Kids born into this society would see no difference between a pint down the pub or a toot of crack down the cafe
 


barney

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Right. It's really working so far isn't it. All the time there are huge profits to be made from importing/selling drugs, there will be new people willing to step into the shoes of those put in prison. You need to destroy the market in the first place. If addicts don't have to but drugs but can get them on prescription, why go to drug dealers????

Prohibition never worked. Making things illegal isn't going to work. Taking away the huge profits from the industry, hmm, now there' an idea.

what's working so far? nothing, because no new policy is in place to clamp down on drugs and crime. a spineless government and judicial system with no backbone is failing society. sentencing is a joke, and people getting off without doing time is a farce.

why is this about profits? IT SHOULD NOT BE. it should be about peoples quality of live, standard of living, whether they live in fear because gangs are in their neighborhood.

ok, all well and good if you make a few quid whilst solving the problem, but it simply would not solve the problem.

they wouldn't go to drug dealers, instead they'd take a gun and hold up a chemist of whatever is stocking the heroin (tesco maybe?) and then sell that on. or just rob it to feed their habit, a habit which if legalised would roam freely throughout the country.
 




barney

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in twenty years, if drugs were legalised, instead of a pint in your friday lunch break, it would be a quick jack up at your desk, that could be the norm.

sickening thought.
 




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