North Stand Chat is a forum for fans of Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club. You can discuss Albion’s latest matches, the team and transfer news and rumours. Registration gives you access to all our forums and removes most of the adverts. You're here now, you might as well join us!

Shopping at via this link helps to support NSC

[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports

Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
254
North of the border, I think Starmer needs to hope that Hamza Yusuf doesn't start to present a more anti-Brexit / pro-immigration agenda that could play well for the SNP but not so much for Labour. Scotland's population has flatlined and is projected to fall, and it needs more immigrants, so this is at odds with Westminster policy.

Personally I think Scottish Nationalism (Independence) is a “single issue” vote … much like pro life/pro choice in America … it is so important to some voters that all else pales. Voters will only change party from SNP if they think the drive for independence has weakened, causing them to vote on other political issues. This guy is banging the same old drum so I don’t expect either Conservative or Labour to pick up many Scottish seats at the next GE
 

jonny.rainbow

Members
Oct 29, 2005
6,308
The last election was effectively a second referendum on Brexit.

Starmer was the architect behind Labour’s fudged mandate policy to negotiate a second deal and then give the people a vote on that.

Corbyn should’ve stuck to his principle of respecting the referendum result. He’s at fault for that, but not as much as Starmer.
 

Pavilionaire

Members
Jul 7, 2003
29,721
The last election was effectively a second referendum on Brexit.

Starmer was the architect behind Labour’s fudged mandate policy to negotiate a second deal and then give the people a vote on that.

Corbyn should’ve stuck to his principle of respecting the referendum result. He’s at fault for that, but not as much as Starmer.
I think the Opposition parties should be cut some slack on their response to Brexit. The Lib Dems under Swinson called Brexit a disaster, promised a new referendum if elected and were promptly annihilated. I think Starmer's decision then not to be rubber stamping Brexit will stand him in good stead, nkw and in the future, as he will probably be having to undo much of it to drag us out of the economic mire.

Project Fear is playing out. The politicans cannot no longer blame Covid, while wholesale energy prices are coming down and inflation looks to have peaked. Increasingly, the UK's ills - the situation in Northern Ireland, migrant boat people, shortage of labour, high food prices, diminishing exports - can all point to Brexit as a significant contributory factor. Starmer needs to start making this link, now whilst he is still in Opposition.
 

Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
254
Starmer needs to start making this link, now whilst he is still in Opposition.
Disagree there, whether there is truth in what you say or not, I don’t believe there is any appetite left in the electorate for continuing the Brexit debate - it has been exhausting for one and all and bringing it front and centre approaching a GE not the best idea
 

Herr Tubthumper

Members
Jul 11, 2003
55,646
The Fatherland
I
Disagree there, whether there is truth in what you say or not, I don’t believe there is any appetite left in the electorate for continuing the Brexit debate - it has been exhausting for one and all and bringing it front and centre approaching a GE not the best idea
I don’t think any oppo parties need to. Elements of the deal automatically come up for discussion in 2026 so it can be addressed by default then.
 

Pavilionaire

Members
Jul 7, 2003
29,721
Disagree there, whether there is truth in what you say or not, I don’t believe there is any appetite left in the electorate for continuing the Brexit debate - it has been exhausting for one and all and bringing it front and centre approaching a GE not the best idea
I think there's a huge difference between continuing the Brexit debate which - I agree is OVER, and acknowledging that Brexit has created some real problems that need addressing now. The border in the Irish Sea and the huge influx of Channels migrants is as a direct consequence of Brexit and the current government cannot fix these problems, indeed things seem to be getting progressively worse.

The GE campaign -from memory - is c 6 weeks long, and Starmer will be asked what he will do to fix these problems. It would be foolish to put the issue front and centre; I'd expect Labour to put NHS and the economy there but he needs a plan on how he intends to make Brexit work and I'm not hearing what that is.
 

Javeaseagull

Members
Feb 22, 2014
1,983
As a remainer I am constantly told “you lost, get over it” but brexiteers didn’t did they? They lost, I think, 2 referendums and still kept plugging away until they got what they wanted. Why should us remainers be any different? Except of course it comes from the “Don’t do as I do, do as I say” brigade, Johnson and his cronies.
 

clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
24,130
If Corbyn stands as an independent in Islington he'll have no trouble retaining his seat.
History tends to say otherwise as it's very difficult to win as an independent.

It's a very very safe Labour seat. Corbyn would need over 50% of those Labour voters.

His notoriety may seem him through, though.
 

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
34,171
Definitely, however he could probably have a larger effect as London Mayor, I wonder if he will consider it?
not likely, he'd be constrained by day to day executive stuff and less able to speak freely on wide range of issues as he likes to.
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
Oct 8, 2003
42,879
Faversham
As a remainer I am constantly told “you lost, get over it” but brexiteers didn’t did they? They lost, I think, 2 referendums and still kept plugging away until they got what they wanted. Why should us remainers be any different? Except of course it comes from the “Don’t do as I do, do as I say” brigade, Johnson and his cronies.
Just put the 'you lost, get over it' contingent on ignore. I know nobody in real life who would talk to me like that.

Brexit is gone now. An agenda to rejoin the EU has not even begun to manifest yet, anywhere outside of the irrelevant corridors of political navel gazing (for example I would imagine it is Liberal and Green policy, albeit I have no reason to bother checking).

Signing up to various trade arrangements may re-emerge as something potentially appealing, but presently it is hard to 'feel' a tangible negative impact of Brexit and be confident of cause and effect.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there have been no adverse effects of Brexit. I'm saying that it is not obvious that the shit many of us are now in is directly attributable to Brexit. My estimation is that the shit some of us are in is due to the way the tories have run the country these last 13 years, which includes their Brexit fiasco, but I can't prove it, and it is debatable whether a majority of the electorate blames all the ills on Brexit either. My friendship group is mostly left of centre and I can't remember the last time anyone moaned about Brexit. The residents of Northern Ireland may of course disagree about the negative impact of Brexit, albeit they are a weird lot and probably blame 'betrayal' by the tories rather than Brexit itself.

So in reply to another post, it would be madness for labour to put a 'rejoin referendum' in their manifesto. For it to be a fair referendum, it would need to be what 'call me Dave' f***ed up over last time, 60:40 in favour of change for change to occur, not 50.1 versus 49.9. It would be madness to risk an embarrassing loss in such a referendum until the nation is clamouring to rejoin. We are far from that, and I'd venture to say that we will never ever be there.

So rather than 'I lost so I should shut up', my attitude now is that the horse has bolted and the barn doors cannot be repaired. Very sad (I was a firm remainer) but the court of public opinion is the bolted horse.
 

Paying the bills

Latest Discussions

Paying the bills

Paying the bills

Paying the bills


Top