[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[BenGarfield]

You still won't read the independent report.

Why not?

Afraid that in black and white it exposes racism in Corbyn's Labour Party and the fact that he didn't deal with it.

Are you against other forms of racism, but Jewish folk are fair game?

no I asked first - and yes i have read the report and the chakrabati report and the house of commons select committee report - you answer first then I will give a considered reply

 

[AstroSloth]

Just as 20 years ago young people voted labour, but now they have jobs and money fewer of them vote labour. My in-laws were Lib Dem voters, and now they're Tories and voted for Boris!

It's always been this way.

It's been that way until now.

Polling is showing that the traditional switch to voting Tory isn't happening anywhere near as much with the current groups.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And criticising the BBC for saying that Israel has a right to exist isn't a great look. Israel have no right to occupy Palestine, but Corbyn is so tunnel-visioned on that that he's anti-Semitic.

Precisely.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Israel now has the most extreme right government in its history. Netanyahu's government is introducing policies that are anti-Palestinian and anti-liberal. The new government is pushing anti LGBTQ+ policies and restricting religious freedoms.

Corbyn has been standing firm against the progressively right wing extremist governments in Israel for as long as I can remember.

Don't confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism; they are far from being the same beast. The right want you to believe that Corbyn's stance against Israel stems from a hatred of Jews. It really doesn't.

Yes but Corbyn's coin has been devalued because he has shared a platform with Hezbollah, and failed abysmally to deal with antisemitism in his party, while insisting he condemns 'all forms of racism' (and sounding like the dweebs who condemned the taking of the knee at football via the same rubric) and so on. Utterly f***ing clueless. I'm well on the spectrum, but even to me that looks autistic. Like me, he is not fit to lead.

Just because someone spent the morning giving gifts to orphan children, this doesn't exonerate them from abusing other children in the afternoon.

The man is an arse. And he's gone. If that upsets you, feel free to waste your vote on the SWP.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Yes but Corbyn's coin has been devalued because he has shared a platform with Hezbollah, and failed abysmally to deal with antisemitism in his party, while insisting he condemns 'all forms of racism' (and sounding like the dweebs who condemned the taking of the knee at football via the same rubric) and so on. Utterly f***ing clueless. I'm well on the spectrum, but even to me that looks autistic. Like me, he is not fit to lead.

Just because someone spent the morning giving gifts to orphan children, this doesn't exonerate them from abusing other children in the afternoon.

The man is an arse. And he's gone. If that upsets you, feel free to waste your vote on the SWP.

Thank you for providing me with the perfect example of a straw man argument.

Once again for those at the back, please provide your anti-Semitic quotes made by Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thank you for providing me with the perfect example of a straw man argument.

Once again for those at the back, please provide your anti-Semitic quotes made by Jeremy Corbyn.

I doubt he made any.

Jeremy is a nice man.

But a hopeless politician. Not sure what point you wish to make

 

[borat]

I doubt he made any.

Jeremy is a nice man.

But a hopeless politician. Not sure what point you wish to make

So useless he made it all the way to head of the Labour Party and had the weight of the state and media stacked against him. They must not have considered him useless to smear him so vociferously. He has also been elected in Islington as their representative since 1983...

What he could have done better is pushed back on the smears and got rid of the right wing of the party that were continually trying to sabotage the campaign. In effect he was too nice in trying to establish a ''broad church'' and it backfired.

Useless might be better used to describe your arguments around Corbyn

 

[Javeaseagull]

Corbyn gets a lot of grief on here but what you cannot deny is that under him the Labour Party became the biggest political party in Europe. So many people signed up, including me, that the finances had never been better. Donations from ordinary people not Russians and non-dom press barons. Now the party is skint! Well done Starmer.

 

[Randy McNob]

So useless he made it all the way to head of the Labour Party and had the weight of the state and media stacked against him. They must not have considered him useless to smear him so vociferously. He has also been elected in Islington as their representative since 1983...

What he could have done better is pushed back on the smears and got rid of the right wing of the party that were continually trying to sabotage the campaign. In effect he was too nice in trying to establish a ''broad church'' and it backfired.

Useless might be better used to describe your arguments around Corbyn

 

[Randy McNob]

So useless he made it all the way to head of the Labour Party and had the weight of the state and media stacked against him. They must not have considered him useless to smear him so vociferously. He has also been elected in Islington as their representative since 1983...

What he could have done better is pushed back on the smears and got rid of the right wing of the party that were continually trying to sabotage the campaign. In effect he was too nice in trying to establish a ''broad church'' and it backfired.

Useless might be better used to describe your arguments around Corbyn

Judge politicians and parties on their record is what they say. Lets compare last 13 years of Tory rule v previous 13 years of Labour rule

Now tell me Tory is better........

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Corbyn gets a lot of grief on here but what you cannot deny is that under him the Labour Party became the biggest political party in Europe. So many people signed up, including me, that the finances had never been better. Donations from ordinary people not Russians and non-dom press barons. Now the party is skint! Well done Starmer.

Labour under Corbyn : Huge, massive membership - no power, and the worst election result for decades.

Labour under Starmer - Much smaller membership - heading for a massive election win.

Which is more successful?

 

[BBassic]

There was a Momentum post on the Labour subreddit yesterday about how they need to mobilise against this decision to silo Corbyn. Someone in the comments said that exact sort of thing is why Labour lose elections.

The Tories, for all their infighting, always manage to coral themselves around a common cause: beating Labour at all costs. And their poxy lunatic fringe element have actualy ended up in power for f**k sake.

All this talk of a nailed on Labour victory reminds me of how supremely confident I felt that we'd do enough in the remaining three games to win the Championship and, well, yeah. Or how confident I was that there was no way the UK would shoot itself in the bollocks by voting for Brexit.

 

[Javeaseagull]

Labour under Corbyn : Huge, massive membership - no power, and the worst election result for decades.

Labour under Starmer - Much smaller membership - heading for a massive election win.

Which is more successful?

Worst election result ever? He got more votes than Blair! But then that’s what propaganda does to us.

 

[Randy McNob]

Labour under Corbyn : Huge, massive membership - no power, and the worst election result for decades.

Labour under Starmer - Much smaller membership - heading for a massive election win.

Which is more successful?

doesn't that show how broken the system is?

The only way Labour can win power is to become Tory lite rather be a real alternative

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Worst election result ever? He got more votes than Blair! But then that’s what propaganda does to us.

9 million more people in the UK in 2019 compared to 1997 - so it's hardly surprising he got more votes - he did however manage to help the Labour Party get less than 35% of the vote for the first time since 1935.

 

[Javeaseagull]

9 million more people in the UK in 2019 compared to 1997 - so it's hardly surprising he got more votes - he did however manage to help the Labour Party get less than 35% of the vote for the first time since 1935.

Maggie Thatcher had a massive majority with less that 35% of the vote.

 

[heavysoul]

Maggie Thatcher had a massive majority with less that 35% of the vote.

Really

I think you're confusing apples with pears! The closest we've had to any party winning a majority with only 35% of the vote (ie those that actually voted) is Labour under Tony Blair in 2005. In the 2017 election, Labour under Corbyn received 30.4% of the vote.

 

[sparkie]

Good riddance. Echoed too many of Putin's talking points for me. Never liked him.

 

[rogersix]

No, Labour will do what every Labour govt has ever done,... borrow, borrow, spend, borrow some more.

which party has paid off more of the national debt since the war?

 

[BenGarfield]

which party has paid off more of the national debt since the war?

Sorry folks cant resist - governments dont have to borrow to fund public spending and the national debt is a meaningless concept both the posters here need to learn something about how the economy really works