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[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn



Weststander

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You're sealioning. How about a career?
He made it mainstream. Ignored, enabled & behind the scenes, encouraged. My local party oozed with antisemitism.
Just for starters.

Corbyn fanboys must read that full conversation, it will be painful, so many won’t.

The tw@t had a thing about Jews. It’s racism. He’s a selective anti-racist.

No doubt craftily toned down when he thought he could form a Momentum government. Thank god decent people took back control of the Labour Party and anti semitic members are gradually being expelled. They were often JCL’s who joined the party when they thought they could get away with it under his weak or anti semitic ‘leadership’.
 
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jcdenton08

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I think despite being one of his most ardent supporters, you’ve got it spot on. This whole rejoice of him leaving, is showing that the Labour Party is just about factionalism and being like a school clique. A principled man who had his ideas, but they weren’t popular and he wasn’t well liked, he’s not a bad person. I’ve met him and one of his sons he’s a respectable human being which far too many on the right side of the party fail to acknowledge to further their own career. Now Starmer has got rid of him, he can hopefully rid us of a Tory Government (it’s an open goal), and actually do some policy making that will help people, not just some carbon copy new Labour, as the only piece of policy I can even think of is making sure someone destroyed that grotty alpaca.
It is entirely possible, as in my case, to hate the Tory government and not want Corbyn either. I’d argue this is where most of the electorate are at and why Starmer will have a comfortable win at the GE. If it were Corbyn he’d probably lose in fairness; even against this shower.

But it’s not because “the electorate are stupid and don’t get it”. It’s because they genuinely don’t want - and will never want - a socialist agenda in this country.

The merits of that are for a different chat but Labour are thankfully living in the real world nowadays and recognise their role is to win an election; not preach to everyone who doesn’t share their hard line ideals.

I’m voting Starmer and am thrilled for the day soon when Corbyn/Johnson/Truss to be nowhere near government or in the discussion.

We need calm, steady, boring centrist government which isn’t Tory. Starmer is the man for the job.
 


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When he said battle, he meant this:


Much work to do before then.

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No quotes from Corbyn amongst any of that.

If you scroll down in that Twitter feed you will see a comparable list of examples showing Corbyn is against anti-semitism.

I’ve seen or heard nothing to make me believe Corbyn is not ‘against racism in all its forms’ as he repeatedly said during his leadership of the Labour Party.
Corbyn's even-handed approach to Semites and anti-Semites is the problem. Defending the right to criticise Israel is one thing, but defending the right of anti-Semites to criticize Israel is careless. Declaring Israel has a right to exist, then sitting on a platform with a member of an organization that wants to push the Jews into the sea is, at best, more carelessness. Sitting on evidence of institutional antisemitism in pockets of Labour activism while waiting for the outcome of a fair and transparent investigation into all forms of prejudice isn't even-handed. It is weak, clueless leadership. Now consigned to the dustbin of history.

I'm not saying that Corbyn is a bad guy, when you get to know him (unlike the disgusting Johnson). But Labour needed a better leader during troubled times. Fortunately it now has one.
 


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It is entirely possible, as in my case, to hate the Tory government and not want Corbyn either. I’d argue this is where most of the electorate are at and why Starmer will have a comfortable win at the GE. If it were Corbyn he’d probably lose in fairness; even against this shower.

But it’s not because “the electorate are stupid and don’t get it”. It’s because they genuinely don’t want - and will never want - a socialist agenda in this country.

The merits of that are for a different chat but Labour are thankfully living in the real world nowadays and recognise their role is to win an election; not preach to everyone who doesn’t share their hard line ideals.

I’m voting Starmer and am thrilled for the day soon when Corbyn/Johnson/Truss to be nowhere near government or in the discussion.

We need calm, steady, boring centrist government which isn’t Tory. Starmer is the man for the job.
I don’t think this bit is necessarily true, with the cost of living in the UK a lot of young people don’t see good opportunity without some kind of level of the playing fields. I’ll vote Labour at the next election but if only to get the tories out, then the jury will be out for me, let’s see if they make good policies that will actually help people in this country.
 




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Quite.

It's shocking how folk have swallowed the press lies and smears. Corbyn was anti-racist while the very press that paint him were openly.

I never cease to be amazed how people conflate anti-Israeli government policy with anti-Jew. And how the Labour Party, in it's desperate effort to be elected, has gone along with it rightly chucking out anti-Semites, but also chucking out those who weren't.

All you have to do is look at how the press treat Tory misdemeanours and how they treated Corbyn's often non misdemeanours.

Corbyn has more integrity in his little finger than those who shit out those headlines.

I don't think he would have been a good prime minister, and he's not 'Anti-British'. He just doesn't see countries and borders like others do. Which is the right way really. But most folk don't subscribe to it.

Corbyn not being allowed back has seriously pissed me off (you wouldn't be able to tell would you :rolleyes:) and I'm not sure I can vote Labour at the next election now as the so called 'broad church' doesn't exist.

Honestly, I feel with regards to the racism/antisemitism accusations, it wasn’t so much what he did, as what he didn’t do.

He himself, I firmly believe, was anti the Israeli government, but not anti-semitic. However, what he enabled within the Labour Party, by failing to sanction or discipline those who would frequently cross the line into anti-semitism, was a deeply uncomfortable environment for Jewish members of the Labour Party. I can’t blame those members of the party for speaking out.

Part of what it means to be leader, is to set the tone and environment in which discussion takes place. By failing to provide an environment in which Jewish Labour Party members felt safe or welcome, Corbyn failed.

I agree the mainstream press had a field day with it, but they were actively probing for angles, and this was an open goal for them. They were always going to attack. To paraphrase Blackadder, it was the Press Management equivalent of sticking his wiener between two floury baps and shouting “Dinnertime Fido!”
 


jcdenton08

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I don’t think this bit is necessarily true, with the cost of living in the UK a lot of young people don’t see good opportunity without some kind of level of the playing fields. I’ll vote Labour at the next election but if only to get the tories out, then the jury will be out for me, let’s see if they make good policies that will actually help people in this country.
Things weren’t exactly booming, in fairness, when Corbyn had his shot. If he is a bastion of the far left agenda, why couldn’t he win then - and why would he win now?

People simply don’t want it. And the left can complain about “gammons”, old people, rich people - it makes no difference. They can complain about Tory lies (true), they can talk about the state of the NHS (true) but none of it matters. The electorate - normal people - keep decisively proving they don’t want that approach to government.
 






rippleman

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Corbyn's even-handed approach to Semites and anti-Semites is the problem. Defending the right to criticise Israel is one thing, but defending the right of anti-Semites to criticize Israel is careless. Declaring Israel has a right to exist, then sitting on a platform with a member of an organization that wants to push the Jews into the sea is, at best, more carelessness. Sitting on evidence of institutional antisemitism in pockets of Labour activism while waiting for the outcome of a fair and transparent investigation into all forms of prejudice isn't even-handed. It is weak, clueless leadership. Now consigned to the dustbin of history.

I'm not saying that Corbyn is a bad guy, when you get to know him (unlike the disgusting Johnson). But Labour needed a better leader during troubled times. Fortunately it now has one.
Israel now has the most extreme right government in its history. Netanyahu's government is introducing policies that are anti-Palestinian and anti-liberal. The new government is pushing anti LGBTQ+ policies and restricting religious freedoms.

Corbyn has been standing firm against the progressively right wing extremist governments in Israel for as long as I can remember.

Don't confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism; they are far from being the same beast. The right want you to believe that Corbyn's stance against Israel stems from a hatred of Jews. It really doesn't.
 


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All corners of Corbyn’s camp hailed Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and then Maduro as shining examples of the change they wanted to see in the world: a vision to be replicated in Britain, Corbyn himself, Abbot, MacDonald and Seamus Milne.

It was absolutely dereliction of duty from the Labour Party anointing Corbyn as their candidate to lead our country.

Labour Party complicit in Boris Johnson’s shambles

Keir Starmer will attempt to do what’s required to achieve power, doubtless to be vilified by the left (see Tony Blair)
 


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All corners of Corbyn’s camp hailed Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and then Maduro as shining examples of the change they wanted to see in the world: a vision to be replicated in Britain, Corbyn himself, Abbot, MacDonald and Seamus Milne.

It was absolutely dereliction of duty from the Labour Party anointing Corbyn as their candidate to lead our country.

Labour Party complicit in Boris Johnson’s shambles

Keir Starmer will attempt to do what’s required to achieve power, doubtless to be vilified by the left (see Tony Blair)
Starmer’s strongest moves have come not against the opposition but from managing out the undesirables in his own party. Slow; steady and assured progress. “Get with the program or get out”.

Exactly what I want from government in peace time, Boring, steady, centre ground.
 




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All corners of Corbyn’s camp hailed Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and then Maduro as shining examples of the change they wanted to see in the world: a vision to be replicated in Britain, Corbyn himself, Abbot, MacDonald and Seamus Milne.

It was absolutely dereliction of duty from the Labour Party anointing Corbyn as their candidate to lead our country.

Labour Party complicit in Boris Johnson’s shambles

Keir Starmer will attempt to do what’s required to achieve power, doubtless to be vilified by the left (see Tony Blair)
As late as 2017 Abbott was championing Chavez. When the world had seen his political opponents being taken away to be tortured and murdered. Beggars belief.
 


borat

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Corbyn is too good for the majority of this current Labour Party. Hes actually a decent and honest human being who campaigns and cares for those less fortunate and not just the wealthiest.

Horrible the way that as an anti-racist he was smeared as anti-semitic. Devalues actual instances of AS.

Unfortunately expressing the fact that Israel is an Apartheid state or expressing sympathies with Palestinian people is not allowed. Shameful.
 


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Corbyn is too good for the majority of this current Labour Party. Hes actually a decent and honest human being who campaigns and cares for those less fortunate and not just the wealthiest.

Horrible the way that as an anti-racist he was smeared as anti-semitic. Devalues actual instances of AS.

Unfortunately expressing the fact that Israel is an Apartheid state or expressing sympathies with Palestinian people is not allowed. Shameful.
I'll say it again.
Ask the overwhelming majority of UK Jews.
Would you dismiss the experience of racism and abuse of any other community this casually?
 




BadFish

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Well you are lucky you didn't vote him in.

Dodged a bullet there.

He's not antisemitic, lots of people have fallen for a hatchet job from the press. Still it kept the Tories in power so that's good.
 




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Shame you sided with Moscow during the Salisbury chemical attacks, oversaw rampant anti senitism, attended funerals of terrorists, and would have left us without adequate defence in a dangerous world, even today you champion Ukraine capitulating to slavery and Russian fascism..

The labour party and the country is a lot better off without an out of touch poisonous trotsky idiot who still sees Venezuela as something to aspire to.

Thank goodness for Sir Keir, consigning a deluded dinosaur to the political bin he belongs.
 


borat

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I'll say it again.
Ask the overwhelming majority of UK Jews.
Would you dismiss the experience of racism and abuse of any other community this casually?
There is no evidence that anti-semitism under Labour increased under Corbyn or existed in a greater level. NEC report found that 0.06% of the membership had accusations of AS. The Labour 'right' purposely stalled complaints to make Corbyn look like action wasnt being taken. Watch the Labour Files which interviews Labour Staff.

Starmer has excluded 60 (left wing) Jews from the party since he took over. He has intervened at local level to prevent candidates running which is undemocratic. I wouldnt trust the man as far as I could throw him.
 




Jackthelad

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He's the greatest leader we never had. As far as the left goes he's up there with the likes of Tony Benn. But if you start to critizise the Globalists & Israel you then you will have your career destroyed swiftly. I knew he was going to be set up when he started calling out massive corporations and calling for peace.
 


amexer

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I think Corbyn is a genuine person but there is no longer an appetite for a real socialist government. For his first few years Blairs government was a good conservative government. Only way to win an election is to do what Blair did and take middle ground which Starmer will do.
 


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