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Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Not really as France should have won like NZ should have beaten them - all in the mind and playing to win.
Barrel of Fun
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Is it a tragic day? The French were unable to break through our defence. There is always going to be a bit of luck I.e. The French try in the quarters (forward pass) or kicks with a lucky bounce (almost every game).
Of course, everyone would like to see Champagne rugby, but at the end of the day it is about winning and if we have to win ugly, then we will.
Both teams were looking for drop goals, more so the French. Remember Jannie De Beer? He put over something like 5 drop goals against England to edge themselves ahead in the '99 World Cup.
Of course, everyone would like to see Champagne rugby, but at the end of the day it is about winning and if we have to win ugly, then we will.
Both teams were looking for drop goals, more so the French. Remember Jannie De Beer? He put over something like 5 drop goals against England to edge themselves ahead in the '99 World Cup.
i fuckin doIt's rugby, who cares
larus
Well-known member
Look at Germany with Football. How many times have they started tournaments badly, yet end up winning/in the final due to their discipline and self-belief.
England have had a horrendous 4 years, and I really thought that we would be lucky to make the quarter finals.. However, we have got better as the tournament has progressed, and although we haven't played free-flowing rugby, we have played to our strengths.
It seems as though we admire other counties for their bloody mindedness and determination, but slag our teams off when they grind out results.
The history books we say finalists W/C 2007 England. Beaten Q/F New Zealand and Australia.
Sounds good to me.
Skint Gull
New member
Look at Germany with Football. How many times have they started tournaments badly, yet end up winning/in the final due to their discipline and self-belief.
England have had a horrendous 4 years, and I really thought that we would be lucky to make the quarter finals.. However, we have got better as the tournament has progressed, and although we haven't played free-flowing rugby, we have played to our strengths.
It seems as though we admire other counties for their bloody mindedness and determination, but slag our teams off when they grind out results.
The history books we say finalists W/C 2007 England. Beaten Q/F New Zealand and Australia.
Sounds good to me.
dougdeep
New member
We won, end of!
NMH
Banned
Even I, who knows bugger-all about rugby, know the answer to that - and it's not "tragedy" at all.
A team that is focussed, frugal in defence, occupies and frustrates their opponent with a lot of threatening play (even gathering so few points out of it), and opportunistically excavates from ever little chink in their oppositions armour - won, and has kept winning.
It might not be the game for you Fixtures, stick to one you know something about.
Is it darts?
Happy Seagull
Barca Cule
NMH
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Happy Seagull
Barca Cule
Seems strange that when the English football team win playing shit everyone shouts, screams, moans and boos but when the English rugby team do it everyone is dancing in the streets.
NMH
Banned
Watch this space HS.
We have long expected the England football team to do well. We never think we are underdogs or likely to lose (and where we used to be always 'robbed', now we are just 'shit').
In rugby, England have almost always been way waaay down the pecking order. The All-Blacks, South Africa, Australia et al, were seen as among the unassailable elite, who we could never approach for skill and ability. For us to win one World Cup is astonishing - and to be in the subsequent final now - it's un-freaking-believable.
The team have belief though, so that goes a long way to explaining how it's happening. If England don't win the World Cup next week, it is still amazing what they've done.
If England don't qualify for Euro Championships - it's a disaster.
Wait for the next time we fall short in a rugby WC, and listen to the whinging start then.
Similar applies to The Albion actually - if we'd stayed as a bogstandard local side and never had a day in the sun like being old 1st Division, almost Prem, FACup finalists etc - then people would understand and quietly put up with us being shite!
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Gully
Monkey in a seagull suit.
Regardless of whether you love or loathe rugby, I am personally pretty indifferent towards it, you cannot argue that the games against Australia and France weren't absolutely gripping sporting entertainment...the last couple of England football games I have struggled to stay awake in the second half.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
It wasn't win by playing shit. It was win by playing ugly and neutralising the French attack. There is a huge difference between that and a sub-par peformance against someone like Andorra (and slightly better opposition!).
You would have had a point about the USA game and everyone was grumbling.
Plus, how many times have England got to the World Cup final, whilst playing badly...actually, how many times have the football team got to the final?
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
It's rugby, who cares
I do. I like cricket but I prefer Rugby Union. (not fussed about League)
withdeanwombat
Well-known member
It's rugby, who cares
And the second response is the RIGHT answer.