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[News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel



Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Both Israel and Iran now downplaying Israel’s attack last night suggesting that diplomacy in the region is having an impact on both Countries for the time being. A stepping back from the precipice for now or at least the rhetoric is less escalatory.
You get the distinct feeling that both sides are now just lobbing symbolic gesture amounts of weaponry at each other. Middle East equivalent of opposing football fans luzzing rubber matting at each other in Brighton station. Long may it last 🤞
 




Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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You get the distinct feeling that both sides are now just lobbing symbolic gesture amounts of weaponry at each other. Middle East equivalent of opposing football fans luzzing rubber matting at each other in Brighton station. Long may it last 🤞
Yes, certainly seems like it - bizarre way to de-escalate - retaliate with less and less weapons until they stop - bit of a risky strategy though!
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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There seems to be quite an entrenched view in some quarters, that the West Bank is a legitimate part of Israel. I guess when a country has occupied land for a generation, built homes and set up businesses on it, it becomes harder to convince subsequent generations that this wasn’t their land in the first place 🤷🏻‍♂️

Like Russia occupying Ukraine, it should never be accepted.
 








Zeberdi

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Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israel’s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ‘killing Palestinians for no real reason’ - now Netanyahu says he will ‘fight against any sanctions’


It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
 


:J)

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Jul 7, 2003
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Brighton
Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israel’s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ‘killing Palestinians for no real reason’ - now Netanyahu says he will ‘fight against any sanctions’


It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
We hear a lot about the US government's 'frustration' with Netanyahu but it doesn't prevent them sending weapons and ever increasing amounts of $$$ (a huge $26 million announced on Friday). It's just fiddling around the edges and not addressing the crucial problem... the US's continued funding of the onslaught.
Turn off the tap!
 


:J)

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Jul 7, 2003
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Brighton
Meanwhile mass graves have been discovered in the grounds of the Nasser Medical Centre in Khan Younis with over 180 bodies.

Here's Sky News reporter posting about it on X:


Expecting this to be headline news on all the channels, but...
Animated GIF
 




Zeberdi

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We hear a lot about the US government's 'frustration' with Netanyahu but it doesn't prevent them sending weapons and ever increasing amounts of $$$ (a huge $26 million announced on Friday). It's just fiddling around the edges and not addressing the crucial problem... the US's continued funding of the onslaught.
Turn off the tap!
Yep - many people feel the same way tbh and in an ideal world maybe, if Israel was not also surrounded by Iran’s proxies that are ongoing threat to her security (and will be until the Palestinians have an independent State imo). Until then token gestures of sanctions are probably all we are going to get.

The US/UK still recognises Israel’s right to protect herself and supplying weapons has always been a part of that. There is a conflict of interest in the West in making Israel militarily weak. Israel’s allies are not going to leave Israel vulnerable to an existential attack from Iran and the axis of resistance.

Disarming Israel to the extent Netanyahu can’t continue with the war in Gaza isn’t a solution therefore. - Hamas still needs to be defeated (if not now, eventually) and Hezbollah are not going to stop lobbying missiles over the border unless there is a commitment by Israel to end the occupation of the Palestinian Territories.

A negotiated ceasefire, with the release of hostages, release of Palestinians being held in detention without trial and withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza is the only way forward I think - along with an immediate moratorium on settler expansion in the West Bank.

 
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knocky1

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Jan 20, 2010
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The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.

It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.

Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
 




Zeberdi

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Sky News verifies mass graves around hospital site and the IDF admits to digging up Palestinian bodies: "The examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased," the IDF said. "Bodies examined, which did not belong to Israeli hostages, were returned to their place."

But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.

The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
That ’report’ quoted is by a Jewish organisation that has spoken out against antisemitism for decades but more recently has been criticised as having a pro-Zionist agenda (one Trump has shared with Netanyahu) including by members of its own staff - it is unlikely to be unbiased reporting (ie reporting that also acknowledges an exponential rise in Islamophobia in campuses across America too.

So for ‘balance’ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -

Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: “MIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus — leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,” the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.“

The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and it’s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
 
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aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
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With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.

It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.

Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
'Jewish' voice for Peace is Antisemitic. Every time it speaks. That's what it's for.
Much like its sister, 'Jewish voice for Labour' was in the words of Jon Lansman of all people, "created specifically & only to deflect from claims of antisemitism by the Corbyn administration"
Have you read 1984?
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.

Don't forget your buddy Trump just a few weeks ago claimed Jewish people who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and “hate their religion". The bloke has plenty of form in this area
 




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