[News] Grenfell

[Official Old Man]

Speaking on the 7th day of the inquiry a women told about her 65 yo mother who was housed on the 18th floor despite being partially sighted and got around using a tri-walker.
The 65-year-old grandmother died alongside her sister Fatemeh, who had been visiting her.
And if you think all that is sad wait until you hear this-
The inquiry heard that Fatemah's husband was unable to pay tribute to the mother of five because his immigration application was refused. Really, what sort of country are we? He should have been picked up and driven to the inquiry if they felt he was unsafe.


Sorry, just so angry that I had to write something.

 

[raymondo]

Speaking on the 7th day of the inquiry a women told about her 65 yo mother who was housed on the 18th floor despite being partially sighted and got around using a tri-walker.
The 65-year-old grandmother died alongside her sister Fatemeh, who had been visiting her.
And if you think all that is sad wait until you hear this-
The inquiry heard that Fatemah's husband was unable to pay tribute to the mother of five because his immigration application was refused. Really, what sort of country are we? He should have been picked up and driven to the inquiry if they felt he was unsafe.


Sorry, just so angry that I had to write something.

As you say, there would have been ways to make his trip happen. At best, our govt processes are not tapped in to key information (such as the families of Grenfell victims); at worst, they are joined up, but still no-one who can make it happen actually cares if it does. Very sad.

 

[Beach Hut]

Personally think we, as a country, are veering towards inherent racialism which is the unfortunate consequences of Brexit.

 

[Saunders]

As you say, there would have been ways to make his trip happen. At best, our govt processes are not tapped in to key information (such as the families of Grenfell victims); at worst, they are joined up, but still no-one who can make it happen actually cares if it does. Very sad.

If they actually cared this would have never happened in the first place.

 

[The_Viper]

Personally think we, as a country, are veering towards inherent racialism which is the unfortunate consequences of Brexit.

Plenty of white people in that tragedy. This isn't a race problem as much as its a class problem. The whole thing is a ****ing farce and it makes me livid just thinking about it all.

 

[Beach Hut]

Plenty of white people in that tragedy. This isn't a race problem as much as its a class problem. The whole thing is a ****ing farce and it makes me livid just thinking about it all.

You are probably right but it appears our current government seem very anti-immigrants

 

[looney]

You are probably right but it appears our current government seem very anti-immigrants

If they are they are not very good at it, over half a million arrived last year.

 

[Eeyore]

You are probably right but it appears our current government seem very anti-immigrants

These policies and actions are merely created to appease headline writers.

 

[Saunders]

You are probably right but it appears our current government seem very anti-immigrants

As he said its a class thing or more money thing. Plenty of immigrants voted for brexit themselves in London something people seem to pretend didnt happen.

 

[janee]

I have been involved with survivors. I think the council has been particularly to blame at not just ignoring tenants in their complaints but actually bullying those who complained. The council had a disregard for poor and largely black tenants and the more vulnerable you were, the higher up you were housed.

I've been blown away by survivors volunteering to try and make things better in the future whilst still in hotels. The first person I met had lived in Grenfell for 16 years, in her 30s, her kids at 12 & 13, both played the cello and French horn for the London philharmonic youth orchestra.

Blew away all my preconceptions.

The second person was rehoused and then burnt out again by a new neighbour. Still volunteered to make things better for people in the future

 

[Stat Brother]

As he said its a class thing or more money thing. Plenty of immigrants voted for brexit themselves in London something people seem to pretend didnt happen.

Some of the most vocal support for America's 'wall' comes from the Hispanic community.
Very much a case of 'quick pull up the ladder'.

 

[Saunders]

Some of the most vocal support for America's 'wall' comes from the Hispanic community.
Very much a case of 'quick pull up the ladder'.

In this case it was more of a chance to lower the ladder to their families outside of the EU in India and Africa in preference to EU immigrants. Wonderful how the world works isnt it.

 

[cunning fergus]

Speaking on the 7th day of the inquiry a women told about her 65 yo mother who was housed on the 18th floor despite being partially sighted and got around using a tri-walker.
The 65-year-old grandmother died alongside her sister Fatemeh, who had been visiting her.
And if you think all that is sad wait until you hear this-
The inquiry heard that Fatemah's husband was unable to pay tribute to the mother of five because his immigration application was refused. Really, what sort of country are we? He should have been picked up and driven to the inquiry if they felt he was unsafe.


Sorry, just so angry that I had to write something.

There’s certainly a lot about his whole episode to be angry about.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44303823

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Speaking on the 7th day of the inquiry a women told about her 65 yo mother who was housed on the 18th floor despite being partially sighted and got around using a tri-walker.
The 65-year-old grandmother died alongside her sister Fatemeh, who had been visiting her.
And if you think all that is sad wait until you hear this-
The inquiry heard that Fatemah's husband was unable to pay tribute to the mother of five because his immigration application was refused. Really, what sort of country are we? He should have been picked up and driven to the inquiry if they felt he was unsafe.


Sorry, just so angry that I had to write something.

If I had seen that first, it would have made me angry too.........

.......... but I find myself being angry a lot these days.

 

[Baker lite]

Personally think we, as a country, are veering towards inherent racialism which is the unfortunate consequences of Brexit.

What a load of old pony.

 

[beorhthelm]

Personally think we, as a country, are veering towards inherent racialism which is the unfortunate consequences of Brexit.

latent racist views led to brexit, not the other way round. as a nation i do not believe we are inherently racist, bureaucracy leads to situations like this.

 

[essbee1]

I've been past Grenfell a couple of times (~200 metres in the distance) on the road into London. It is scary, shocking and upsetting in equal amounts.
But most of all, I found myself asking myself "were we really in 2017 when this happened and in the UK as well?"

 

[smillie's garden]

Some of the most vocal support for America's 'wall' comes from the Hispanic community.
Very much a case of 'quick pull up the ladder'.

Sauce? This seems a pretty disingenuous comment. How do you measure "most vocal" anyway? Decibels? Frequency of supportive statements? Lets be clear: according to polls, a majority of Latinos oppose Trump's border wall proposal (as do Americans as a whole.)

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-victims-claim-money-immigrants-a8376591.html

 

[Stat Brother]

Sauce? This seems a pretty disingenuous comment. How do you measure "most vocal" anyway? Decibels? Frequency of supportive statements? Lets be clear: according to polls, a majority of Latinos oppose Trump's border wall proposal (as do Americans as a whole.)

Howard Fineman former global editor of the Huff Post now one of the head honchos of MSNBC.

He (or I in that post) didn't say the majority just that those who are, of which there are more than you'd imagine, pro wall are loudly pro wall.