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Everest

Me
Jul 5, 2003
20,741
Southwick
Did you notice the lino flagged to give Celtic the free kick though?
 




deletebeepbeepbeep

Well-known member
May 12, 2009
22,356
I like how they call it 'simulation' on the BBC website, which I assume is out of the FA rule book. Just tell it how it is, for gods sake, it's a dive!
 


itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
Tony Mowbray's excuse is ridiculous. 'He went down before he anticipates the challenge' apparently. Not only is that appalling grammar, but it also surely suggests a dive?
 




Forster's Armband

Well-known member
Sep 23, 2008
2,626
London
Tony Mowbray's excuse is ridiculous. 'He went down before he anticipates the challenge' apparently. Not only is that appalling grammar, but it also surely suggests a dive?

Agreed, also you could argue that that is what Eduardo did. I am not saying he did but for Mowbray to come out with that is a joke.
 


The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
'He went down before he anticipates the challenge...'

So let me see if I've got this straight – he didn't anticipate the challenge, because he had gone down before that. So he didn't know the challenge was coming...? But he went down anyway.

On so many levels, a prattish thing to come out with.

But both Wenger and Mowbray are both indicative of this growing malaise within football - the lack of courtesy and honesty in admitting that their player dived, and their refusal to condemn it, let alone acknowledge it. In not doing so, they are part of the problem and so far have never been even remotely interested in showing anything approaching being part of the solution.

'Cheats' is the word that springs to mind that I would apply to the manager as much as the player. Until they recgonise this form of cheating, this problem will never go away.
 


Scotty Mac

New member
Jul 13, 2003
24,405
Tony Mowbray's excuse is ridiculous. 'He went down before he anticipates the challenge' apparently. Not only is that appalling grammar, but it also surely suggests a dive?

if he means that he went down anticipating a challenge, isnt that EXACTLY the same excuse that arsenal used about eduardo and celtic went MENTAL over?
 




Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,402
Diving has been a problem for years now, It had been seen as an everyday part of the game so why all the fuss about it now.

Since the game evolved to be more skill based and less about physical challenges, the rules were altered to suit the skilled players by outlawing alot of challenges, (because the authorities wanted to keep these skillful players fit and playing as they are the main draw to matches / tv viewers) this then allowed those skillful players to look to gain an advantage by diving because it was far easier to get a free kick than before, and the players who 'made the challenge' are more likely to pick up yellow and red cards making a win more likely.

Diving was also accepted as the game has also evolved into one where results and money mean everything, and by cheating it could secure a the win, especially if it leads to a sending off or goal is deemed a valid tactic by managers who risk losing their jobs if results go against them.
 


ATFC Seagull

Aberystwyth Town FC
Jul 27, 2004
5,399
(North) Portslade
if he means that he went down anticipating a challenge, isnt that EXACTLY the same excuse that arsenal used about eduardo and celtic went MENTAL over?

To be fair, Mowbray basically kept his mouth shut on that one. Aside from post-match interviews from players, I think Celtic actually had little to do with what has happened to Eduardo.

I think the only potential difference (which I guess Mowbray is alluding to) is that because Mcgeady is at full pace, theres going to be a natural "flinch" when you see the leg coming - not that it excuses going down in my opinion. This wasn't the case with Eduardo. Its also a very illogical position to have taken a dive in. This also wasn't the case with Eduardo.
 


Marc

New member
Jul 6, 2003
25,267
surely the BEST one ever?
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PILTDOWN MAN

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 15, 2004
20,588
Hurst Green
Ban the players and fine the manager and club. It would stop the obvious coaching and tactics and an easy remedy.
 


Celtic need to wind their necks in about this. There was an even more outrageous dive later in the game (Chris Killen?) which went unpunished. Plus McGeedy will only get a one match ban when Eduardo's probably going to get more.

Not defending Eduardo at all, but people in glass houses and all that.
 


xenophon

speed of life
Jul 11, 2009
3,260
BR8
Sellick always cry foul when things don't go their way, they haven't a chip on their shoulder as much as the whole f***ing chip shop. It's laughable, they are shit at European level but keep thinking someday they will emulate the Lisbon Lions. The fact Sellik won the European Cup with a team comprised solely of ging-er 'weegies back in 1967 shows how far the competition has come on, while Scottish Football has declined in opposite fashion.

Of course if Eduardo hadn't dived they would have gone on to win the tie against Arsenal as they were the better team etc, etc
 








Horney

New member
Oct 12, 2008
549
The only difference between Arsenal's ' penalty ' on Wednesday and the one Man.Utd were given on saturday, was that there was actual contact between Almunia and Rooney. The intent of the two strikers was exactly the same...i.e they were both intent on going down...whatever. No thought of trying to score, just a premeditated intent to get a penalty. Rooney knew the keeper was coming and made sure he trailed a leg...contact was inevitable.
This has been going on for a long time and is so ingrained in the pysche of players that only the most dramatic change will have any effect.
Its extreme but I would remove ( as an experiment ) the penalty kick from all football for a season. Infringements within the penalty area would be treated exactly as for the rest of the pitch. Defenders would be punished once and hopefully, attackers would concentrate on trying to score rather than ' playing ' for penalties.
Each season it gets worse and will continue to do so.
 






Finch

Active member
Jul 21, 2009
340
New Zealand
The hypocrisy coming out of Celtic is amusing.

Got to give Hibs manager and players some credit for not whining like babies about it.
 


GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
51,696
Gloucester
Diving has been a problem for years now, It had been seen as an everyday part of the game so why all the fuss about it now.

Since the game evolved to be more skill based and less about physical challenges, the rules were altered to suit the skilled players by outlawing alot of challenges, (because the authorities wanted to keep these skillful players fit and playing as they are the main draw to matches / tv viewers) this then allowed those skillful players to look to gain an advantage by diving because it was far easier to get a free kick than before, and the players who 'made the challenge' are more likely to pick up yellow and red cards making a win more likely.

One thing that might improve things a little would be to make the award of a penalty a bit less harsh than it is now - how about changing the rules so that when a penalty is awarded no other sanction to be taken - no red or yellow cards, unless, of course it is for a violent or dangerous tackle? That way, divers might still be rewarded by getting the penalty, but they wouldn't be further rewarded by continuing the game against ten men.

Also, now that TV coverage is so extensive, isn't it time for retrospective action to be allowed? If a penalty is awarded, and TV replays clearly show it was a dive with no contact, then a one match ban for the diver; that might discourage them a bit!
 


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