[Albion] Facundo Buonanotte - SIGNED for 1.8 billion pesos

[Skuller]

Is it just me, or did Groß simply not give him enough ball on Sunday? Almost every time Groß got the ball he cut inside, leaving Buananotte adrift on the wing.

 

[Zeberdi]

That’s a completely different point. This thread is discussing if Faco is ready for the first team NOW or not? My opinion is no he’s not, not yet.
The current injury situation is extreme and even by Albion standards was unpredictable.

You do mean your last few posts don’t you? The thread is discussing Buonanotte in general surely? Instead of going round in circles with this though, how about being very specific what it is about Buonanotte’s play that you have seen this season that makes him not up to PL level enough in your POV and why RDZ should not use him?
Who should he use instead?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

This injury situation we find our selves in is excessive, it’s not ‘normal’ or predicted. If it weren’t for this situation he wouldn’t even be getting the minutes that he currently is getting and IMO opinion he is not quite ready for yet. So if it’s not a predicted situation then it was not part of the ‘plan’ for him to play as much as he is, therefore a loan would have been the better option OR the coaches just wanted him around the squad this season.

He was due to go out on loan, all rumours seemed to suggest Leeds were very close to agreeing terms, but Enciso got injured so we decided to keep Buonanotte to help cover for him. We then picked up Fati and there were more rumours on deadline day that it would enable Buonanotte’s loan move to pick up again but it didn’t happen. With hindsight it looks like a good thing as even though he isn’t getting a huge amount of mins he’s definitely needed and we’d be in an even worse position personnel wise without him here.

Depending on how Enciso recovers and his availability for the second half of the season there is still a possibility Facundo will go out on loan in January.

 

[Machiavelli]

I'll make the point that I've made previously, and nothing has changed on this front.
Irrespective of whether posters think that FB is better suited to going out on loan or playing as a 'number 10'/ACM, FB will stay in the squad and be used in the right attacking role this season.
We're short in that position and that will remain for the rest of the season. Solly's injury means he'll in all probability be out for the entire season. Adingra has exceeded expectations there (and looked even better on the left on Sunday, where he played predominantly last season), but is going to the AFC. Who else can play there? Mazilu is joining in January, but we'll be incredibly lucky if he slots right into PL standards.

 

[Zeberdi]

I'll make the point that I've made previously, and nothing has changed on this front.
Irrespective of whether posters think that FB is better suited to going out on loan or playing as a 'number 10'/ACM, FB will stay in the squad and be used in the right attacking role this season.
We're short in that position and that will remain for the rest of the season. Solly's injury means he'll in all probability be out for the entire season. Adingra has exceeded expectations there (and looked even better on the left on Sunday, where he played predominantly last season), but is going to the AFC. Who else can play there? Mazilu is joining in January, but we'll be incredibly lucky if he slots right into PL standards.

Mitoma will be going to the AFC, Adringa to the AFCON - but my pedantry aside , yes, in January we will be struggling out wide without Mitoma, without March and without Adringa.

Facu can play wide but we know that’s a mediocre coverage for the CAMder - and Fati can certainly play wide and cover Mitoma - I think this might be a good opportunity for Lamptey to get back into play to cover March - he’s shown he has the speed - since we no longer play wing backs or 3 centre backs, he’s struggled to find a role, with Veltman sewing up the right back slot - perhaps it’s time to play him further forward?

 

[Machiavelli]

Mitoma will be going to the AFC, Adringa to the AFCON - but my pedantry aside , yes, in January we will be struggling out wide without Mitoma, without March and without Adringa.

Facu can play wide but we know that’s a mediocre coverage for the CAMder - and Fati can certainly play wide and cover Mitoma - I think this might be a good opportunity for Lamptey to get back into play to cover March - he’s shown he has the speed - since we no longer play wing backs or 3 centre backs, he’s struggled to find a role, with Veltman sewing up the right back slot - perhaps it’s time to play him further forward?

That's a good point about Lamptey playing higher up (I think he's more suited to RWB than RB anyway, but RDZ has also played him as a RW) . But there's a possibility that he's going to AFCON too.
As to the left, think we'll see Enciso, Fati and, possibly, Joao Pedro covering Mitoma while all the players are away. Who plays where is dependent on how many strikers we have available, eg how long is Welbeck going to be out for? Fergie looks as though his time needs to be carefully managed too.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Mitoma will be going to the AFC, Adringa to the AFCON - but my pedantry aside , yes, in January we will be struggling out wide without Mitoma, without March and without Adringa.

Facu can play wide but we know that’s a mediocre coverage for the CAMder - and Fati can certainly play wide and cover Mitoma - I think this might be a good opportunity for Lamptey to get back into play to cover March - he’s shown he has the speed - since we no longer play wing backs or 3 centre backs, he’s struggled to find a role, with Veltman sewing up the right back slot - perhaps it’s time to play him further forward?

will Enciso be back by January?

Also, we have Adrian Mazilu coming in January, who appears to be a wide player too, not sure if he's Prem ready, but maybe we'll have little option.

 

[Machiavelli]

will Enciso be back by January?

Also, we have Adrian Mazilu coming in January, who appears to be a wide player too, not sure if he's Prem ready, but maybe we'll have little option.

Rumours Enciso back in Dec, probably later in the month

 

[Knocky's Nose]

Out of interest, have you seen our current injuries list ?

Obviously.

I thought the subject was about him being ready for the first team.

I don't think he is.

However, with only three players and the kit man fit - in he goes. Ready or not.

 

[The Fits]

Is it just me, or did Groß simply not give him enough ball on Sunday? Almost every time Groß got the ball he cut inside, leaving Buananotte adrift on the wing.

It's telling he's always been reluctant to give him the ball.
Buonaotte will come good, and he was decent first half on Sunday but he's still some way off. Look at the difference in impact Adingra has made (I know he's older, that's the point).
By the time he's 20 he could be a really good player.

 

[AZ Gull]

Just to add to the list of players we will potentially lose to international action in January....

Buonanotte is with the Argentinian U-23 squad at the moment playing a couple of friendlies in Japan (he started and played for an hour in their 5-2 defeat on Saturday, with the second match tomorrow). This is in preparation for the Olympic CONMEBOL qualification tournament which is held in Venezuela between January 20 and February 11 next year. Argentina will play four group matches and then a further three if they progress.

There must be a decent chance that they will want him for that tournament....

 

[Napper]

There must be a decent chance that they will want him for that tournament....

Not if they’ve been watching him play

 

[Zeberdi]

Congratulations to Facu on a great goal - beautifully executed with competent curling finish.

Yet again, Buonanotte showing he is continuing to improve exponentially - his goal is not only a justification for him starting for us but I think he is showing us, that sometimes having the opportunity to play is all it takes to get up to speed.

His goal today, (I think) is the first he has scored from a wide starting position- not bad for a CAM and shows his potential uses to us in his versatility.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Is it just me, or did Groß simply not give him enough ball on Sunday? Almost every time Groß got the ball he cut inside, leaving Buananotte adrift on the wing.

I got slated for noting that months ago. Rather than play the ball out to Buananotte on his nearside wing, Groß would play a long diagonal ball to Mitoma on the opposite wing every damn time, clearly and deliberately cutting Buananotte out of the game

 

[Zeberdi]

I got slated for noting that months ago. Rather than play the ball out to Buananotte on his nearside wing, Groß would play a long diagonal ball to Mitoma on the opposite wing every damn time, clearly and deliberately cutting Buananotte out of the game

I and others noted it last season.

Gross is an experienced player, I can’t imagine there is any way that it is personal. Both Mitoma and Buonanotte seem to attract defenders like bees to honey when they are on the ball. Mitoma is far more adept than Facu is at the moment when he is being shut down by 2 or 3 defenders - Facu often plays the ball back (or risks loses possession/going down). Mitoma on the other hand, will play forwards and dribble through nearly every time, even if he runs himself out of space on the goal line before playing back or putting in the cross.

Gross playing diagonally to Mitoma is more of a conscious decision to play an attacking move for Gross therefore, imo, than playing the ball to Facu (but that is changing as Facu gets more confident I think)

 

[WhingForPresident]

Well done today Facu, a run in the team is doing him good. I do wish he was playing centrally but RDZ and Co are the experts.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Well done to Facu today.

For the first time he didn't look a boy in a man's game. It was a lovely goal, but Colwill showing Facu on his left was horrific defending, given he knows the bloke.

I think he'll start again one one of our next two

 

[Goldstone Guy]

Lallana did well for the goal as well. Moved the ball really quickly to Buonanotte giving him a tiny bit more time and space (edit - which Facu used brilliantly).

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Beautiful goal son.

 

[Napper]

Lovely goal but toilet again other than that

2nd half thought bit better tbf