[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris?

[Molango's visa]

Me too

Thanks - I thought he was but as I said, I find sarcasm hard to translate - I just wasn’t sure if my post about Saunders defending Trump had been misunderstood as me defending her because I thought the sarcasm was directed at me rather than laughing with me - the trials and tribulations of a neurodivergent brain !

Me too (neurodivergent). Misunderstandings are a daily occurrence. Luckily on an anonymous forum one can assume the best without fear of actual jeopardy if you have misunderstood and reacted. One can apologise (also easy on an anonymous forum) and move on, whistling surreptitiously and hoping nobody has noticed. Ahem.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Yep those 6 corporate bankruptcies don't happen on their own.

Out of how many start ups and what do you define as bankruptcies? I can think of 2 successes of the top of my head, The Apprentice TV series or was it 12 seasons? Also his Golf courses. I know his Trump university came a cropper but his truth social has potential which is what it was sold on.

 

[Seagull58]

Thanks - I thought he was but as I said, I find sarcasm hard to translate - I just wasn’t sure if my post about Saunders defending Trump had been misunderstood as me defending her because I thought the sarcasm was directed at me rather than laughing with me - the trials and tribulations of a neurodivergent brain !

Sorry to be a little pedantic but you're continually misspelling Sanders. That's very Trumpist (see "stollen")

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Great post and brilliant narrative of the definition of populism described by Alastair Campbell recently.

1. Populism seeks to exploit problems rather than solving them.

2. Populism seeks to divide the population rather than unite it.

Both, of course, are highly effective distraction techniques for those who only seek money, power and influence through politics rather than a greater good for their electorate and Country.

Mr Trump and Mr Johnson personify this particular definition. And when they are called out, we’re reminded that politicians are all the same so you may as well vote for one with a bit of personality.

First AC or Tony Blairs spin doctor, you don't get to change definitions just to suit your political agenda. I looked it up and its mercifully short(Below).

Populism just means uniting the people against corruption, solutions to this problem are different from left to right but that is standard. You think letting 7 million plus people in in 3 years worth 14 extra congressional seats when redistricting is done is not corruption? How crap are your politics that you need to import voters illegal and otherwise to top up your voter base? The media isn't reporting it and that is also corruption. When you elect politicians to do A but they do the opposite that's corruption. And irony alert, when you you try to change the definition of words to suit your purpose thats corruption.

Trump is trying to unite the people against the establishment, when he left Fulton Jail he drove through poor/black areas and was well received, that's one of the ways he reaches out to different groups. He us not playing the divide and rule tactic of "White men evil".

As for the article you quoted "Sample of one" and Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Zeberdi]

Sorry to be a little pedantic but you're continually misspelling Sanders. That's very Trumpist (see "stollen")

That’s ok - at least I can spell ‘Buonanotte’ which seems to be a stumbling block for 50% of NSC posters

 

[Zeberdi]

Populism just means uniting the people against corruption... And irony alert, when you try to change the definition of words to suit your purpose thats corruption.

I thought ‘popularism’ in politics a range of policies that embrace the idea that the ‘elite’ is set against the masses/the ‘people’ - it doesn’t presume corruption of the elite

Trump is trying to unite the people against the establishment, when he left Fulton Jail he drove through poor/black areas and was well received, that's one of the ways he reaches out to different groups.

When was Trump in Fulton? I must have missed that - so many court cases and indictments over the years, it really has been impossible to keep up.

 

[Curious Orange]

I see Mr Trump has been given a ten day extension to pay a massively reduced bond of $175 million for the appeal on his fraud case (it was $464 million). Another example of how unfairly he is being treated.

 

[US Seagull]

I see Mr Trump has been given a ten day extension to pay a massively reduced bond of $175 million for the appeal on his fraud case (it was $464 million). Another example of how unfairly he is being treated.

Note the bond has been reduced, not the actual penalty. Just the amount he needs to put up prior to appeals being settled.

Haven't yet seen the logic that led the judges to decide this.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Trump is trying to unite the people against the establishment, when he left Fulton Jail he drove through poor/black areas and was well received, that's one of the ways he reaches out to different groups. He us not playing the divide and rule tactic of "White men evil".

As for the article you quoted "Sample of one" and Hmmmmmmmmm.

Don't like piling on you but this is one of the main things I just don't understand in beliefs about Trump. How is this bloke anti establishment or anti The Man or whatever you'd like to call it? It's like that thing about voting for Bush Jnr because he seemed to be "the sort of bloke you could have a pint with". Is that really your overriding reason for voting for them? Don't get it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Trump is trying to unite the people against the establishment

Despite the fact that he is the establishment

 

[bhafc99]

Man changes name to Literally Anybody Else and announces US presidential run

Texas man says he is unsatisfied with Donald Trump and Joe Biden and says new name ‘isn’t a person, it’s a rally cry’

www.theguardian.com

 

[US Seagull]

Don't like piling on you but this is one of the main things I just don't understand in beliefs about Trump. How is this bloke anti establishment or anti The Man or whatever you'd like to call it? It's like that thing about voting for Bush Jnr because he seemed to be "the sort of bloke you could have a pint with". Is that really your overriding reason for voting for them? Don't get it.

The irony being that both Bush Jr and Trump are teetotal.

 

[Bodian]

Note the bond has been reduced, not the actual penalty. Just the amount he needs to put up prior to appeals being settled.

Haven't yet seen the logic that led the judges to decide this.

And, as I understand it, paying a bond means you guarantee to pay the whole fine if the appeal doesn't go your way. If his word means anything that is.

 

[Curious Orange]

I'm just going to drop this here, as I found it thought provoking, and also relevant in that I think we all need to be open to the possibility that we might be wrong:

 

[Questions]

I wish I could laugh at it all but then I look at ‘Normal Rishi’

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm just going to drop this here, as I found it thought provoking, and also relevant in that I think we all need to be open to the possibility that we might be wrong:

Like football, that video is a game of two halves.

It's interesting, but I don't know why the author felt the need to attack wokeism.

 

[lasvegan]

So you've posted a link to a republican supporting site, and claim it's a really good opinion piece by the man who wrote 'The Case for Trump'?

You might as well get a really good opinion from Trump himself.

It’s just an opinion piece, that I thought was really good, so I posted it. Rather than attack the source, why don’t you tell us all what the points are that you disagree with? I’m open to listening to opposing opinions, that’s the whole point of a forum isn’t it? If you’re convincing enough it may even swing my vote…

 

[Curious Orange]

Like football, that video is a game of two halves.

It's interesting, but I don't know why the author felt the need to attack wokeism.

Yes, I thought that was a bit odd too, given the general tone of the piece. Though, I suppose you could argue that it handily illustrates the point he makes - viewing 'woke' as all bad is intelligent people believing stupid things.

 

[marlowe]

Just waiting for Trump's latest Truth Social rant:
"THE BALTIMORE BRIDGE WOULD NEVER HAVE COLLAPSED IF I HAD BEEN PRESIDENT"

 

[Triggaaar]

It’s just an opinion piece, that I thought was really good, so I posted it. Rather than attack the source, why don’t you tell us all what the points are that you disagree with?

The piece is complaining about how immigration is handled under Biden, but doesn't look at how it was handled under Trump, or how he failed in the immigration promises he made before the last election. The author is writing specifically to help his side in the debate, so it doesn't provide value in that debate. It's like only listening to either the prosecution or defence in a court case. I'm not going to listen to what one side has to say if I can't hear the response from the other side.

I’m open to listening to opposing opinions, that’s the whole point of a forum isn’t it? If you’re convincing enough it may even swing my vote…

If you are genuinely interested in opposing opinions, then I'd suggest you try and find news sources in the US that provide good opinions from both sides. I appreciate that's easier said than done in the US as there seems to be little to no regulation on what can be presented as news. Although with GB News in this country, maybe the regulations here aren't great either.

If I were voting in the US elections, there are many things that would put me off voting for Trump. Off the top of my head:
- he stirs up hatred among the population, aiming to divide rather than unite
- he avoids questions about his policy and governance, and when called up on anything he simply attacks the journalist and claims it's fake news. I've never seen that sort of behaviour from a leading politician in the US or UK before. It attempts to end debate and be unaccountable.
- he appears to be racist, and tells non-white Americans to go home, despite the fact that they were born in the US
- he is sexist and treats women poorly - these values don't match my own
- he strikes me as quite an unintelligent man, as demonstrated when he suggested that they looked at getting disinfectant and ultra violet light into the body to kill covid. And when called up on that, he simply lied and pretend it was sarcasm, which it clearly wasn't.
- on covid, he denied that it was an issue for months, until such a time that it was impossible to ignore the number of people were dying, so he simply lied and said that he warned of covid first, and that he knew the most about covid.
- when he lost the election, he tried to circumvent democracy by asking officials to lie and pretend that he won. That alone would give me a serious issue with voting for him.


While my own needs about how policies would affect my family would come into my decision, I also don't believe he's able to fulfil his promises of making America great again. He promised that last time, but it didn't happen, so why would this time be any different?

Where I vote in the UK I am not fond of any particular party, I'm fairly disappointed by them all, so I change my vote quite regularly depending on the leader and the policies they put forward. A fair number of people here do seem wedded to one party, but that seems to be even more the case in the US, so it often doesn't matter what policies are put forward. I don't really understand such a blinkered view on governance.