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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
593
No you're not prepared to see that your incessant bullshit has been fully debunked and face fact you are a racist apologist clown, who stumps for a facist whose real racism uses words of Hitler .

Shallow delusional and brainless hey biggums.

:wanker:

You appear not to know what those words mean. You and others have had ample time to prove your case but you are as partisan as it gets. Oh and your going on ignore, go outside and get some fresh air Citizen Smith.:tosser:

To think a mod gave me a ban a month or so for "playing the player and not the ball", I suppose its whose team is doing it.punish:
 




Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,581
If you’re still wondering why Trump is still doing so well in the polls…

Because right wing billionaires are funding right wing 'news' outlets designed to bolster his popularity? Presumably that's why you've provided a link to the Tucker Carson founded Daily Caller?
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
9,949
On NSC for over two decades...
All fun and games over in the Supreme Court as to whether Mr Trump can be on the ballot.

The answer is yes, unless congress says otherwise. Probably the right decision from a legal stand point but does rather highlight the lack of any legal process at the federal level for identifying and removing bad actors from related ballots.

BBC News - US Supreme Court strikes down effort to disqualify Trump from Colorado primary election - BBC News
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892
All fun and games over in the Supreme Court as to whether Mr Trump can be on the ballot.

The answer is yes, unless congress says otherwise. Probably the right decision from a legal stand point but does rather highlight the lack of any legal process at the federal level for identifying and removing bad actors from related ballots.

BBC News - US Supreme Court strikes down effort to disqualify Trump from Colorado primary election - BBC News
The Constitution of the US was created in the expectation that their leaders would all be men of honour rather than Donald Trump. The irony is that, lacking any legal means to stop him standing, they could be signing their own political death warrants if/when Trump wins and becomes the dictator he has clearly stated he will be !

WE could see the collapse of the US if some refuse to obey his orders and others carry them out even if they are unconstitutional or criminal. Could even be Civil War #2 .
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
9,949
On NSC for over two decades...
The Constitution of the US was created in the expectation that their leaders would all be men of honour rather than Donald Trump. The irony is that, lacking and legal means to stop him standing, they could be signing their own political death warrants if/when Trump wins and becomes the dictator he has clearly stated he will be !

WE could see the collapse of the US if some refuse to obey his orders and others carry them out even if they are unconstitutional or criminal. Could even be Civil War #2 .
Yes, it is rather concerning.

Thoughts and prayers for our U.S. cousins. That seems to help with their gun crime issue after all.
 






beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,300
All fun and games over in the Supreme Court as to whether Mr Trump can be on the ballot.

The answer is yes, unless congress says otherwise. Probably the right decision from a legal stand point but does rather highlight the lack of any legal process at the federal level for identifying and removing bad actors from related ballots.

BBC News - US Supreme Court strikes down effort to disqualify Trump from Colorado primary election - BBC News
as i read it, the basic point of law was he's not been convicted with insurrection (or i gather actually charged with). so amendment doesn't apply. the legal system is rather black and white, without a long list of possible good reasons to stop someone. the bad actor has to be proven to have been a bad actor, not just suspected.
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
593
The Constitution of the US was created in the expectation that their leaders would all be men of honour rather than Donald Trump. The irony is that, lacking any legal means to stop him standing, they could be signing their own political death warrants if/when Trump wins and becomes the dictator he has clearly stated he will be !

WE could see the collapse of the US if some refuse to obey his orders and others carry them out even if they are unconstitutional or criminal. Could even be Civil War #2 .
So many mistakes.

There is a legal means, charge him and convict him under the insurrection act but they won't do that as they have no case.

He said he would be a dictator for 1 day, probably firing rogue judges and DAs.

Your paranoid and its a revolution not a civil war.
 




Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
9,949
On NSC for over two decades...
There is a legal means, charge him and convict him under the insurrection act but they won't do that as they have no case.
There was enough evidence for the judge in the Colorado ballot case to conclude that Mr Trump had engaged in insurrection, so you are probably wrong to state that they wouldn't have a case if they were to bring charges.

Whether that case would be strong enough to obtain a conviction in a court of law I doubt we'll ever know, as I suspect the decision not to bring an insurrection case anywhere probably was a political one.

The Supreme Court notably didn't make any ruling one way or the other on whether Mr Trump actually did engage in insurrection, although he'll undoubtedly try and claim they exonerated him.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,246
Vilamoura, Portugal
as i read it, the basic point of law was he's not been convicted with insurrection (or i gather actually charged with). so amendment doesn't apply. the legal system is rather black and white, without a long list of possible good reasons to stop someone. the bad actor has to be proven to have been a bad actor, not just suspected.
No, I think the basic point is that section 3 only applies to people standing for state level positions, not federal level positions. That's why the SCOTUS voted 9-0.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,246
Vilamoura, Portugal
There was enough evidence for the judge in the Colorado ballot case to conclude that Mr Trump had engaged in insurrection, so you are probably wrong to state that they wouldn't have a case if they were to bring charges.

Whether that case would be strong enough to obtain a conviction in a court of law I doubt we'll ever know, as I suspect the decision not to bring an insurrection case anywhere probably was a political one.

The Supreme Court notably didn't make any ruling one way or the other on whether Mr Trump actually did engage in insurrection, although he'll undoubtedly try and claim they exonerated him.
Correct. They decided the case on the basis that section 3 only applies to state-level positions. They did not consider whether he is an insurrectionist.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
11,801
Cumbria
Correct. They decided the case on the basis that section 3 only applies to state-level positions. They did not consider whether he is an insurrectionist.

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Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
593
There was enough evidence for the judge in the Colorado ballot case to conclude that Mr Trump had engaged in insurrection, so you are probably wrong to state that they wouldn't have a case if they were to bring charges.

Whether that case would be strong enough to obtain a conviction in a court of law I doubt we'll ever know, as I suspect the decision not to bring an insurrection case anywhere probably was a political one.

The Supreme Court notably didn't make any ruling one way or the other on whether Mr Trump actually did engage in insurrection, although he'll undoubtedly try and claim they exonerated him.

They've charged him with so much made up stuff so why not insurrection? Why a virtually unarmed insurrection? 7 times as many people died in the BLM riots.

The problem I have with your argument and most on here is they lack any logical consistency. so full of holes dude. If its that flakey then its because you are consuming BS.
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
9,949
On NSC for over two decades...
They've charged him with so much made up stuff so why not insurrection? Why a virtually unarmed insurrection? 7 times as many people died in the BLM riots.

The problem I have with your argument and most on here is they lack any logical consistency. so full of holes dude. If its that flakey then its because you are consuming BS.

I'm not sure I've made any arguments particularly, though I certainly stated a couple of opinions in my last post.

I do have a couple of genuine questions for you though, as I'm interested in the answers.

What charges against Mr Trump or his companies were made up?

If only some of the people involved in an insurrection are armed* is it any less of an insurrection? Is there a certain percentage of armed people you need to reach?

How are the BLM riots relevant?


* 'armed' probably requires definition.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
11,801
Cumbria
They've charged him with so much made up stuff so why not insurrection? Why a virtually unarmed insurrection? 7 times as many people died in the BLM riots.

The problem I have with your argument and most on here is they lack any logical consistency. so full of holes dude. If its that flakey then its because you are consuming BS.
When you say 'charged him with so much made up stuff' - can you provide any court cases where Trump has been acquitted of the charges please? Not the politically determined impeachment - but proper cases. The only court cases I can recall have all ended in guilty verdicts and fines.

Also - if all these cases were 'made-up' then surely his best tactic would be to get them over with quickly, and get acquittals. Then he can go round saying how victimised he is with some justification. But no - his tactic is actually to delay them as long as possible so that he can scrub the charges when president again. Why?
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,246
Vilamoura, Portugal








The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
This thread is just going to get more and more amusing. It's not just 'Toys out of prams' now it's all out disbelief and panic. The Teflon Don mark 2.

Don't ask my politics. I wont answer.
 




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