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[Albion] Deniz Undav - season long loan to Stuttgart confirmed



Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
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Spank the Manc
OK, so maybe you aren't a revisionist - but there were/are revisionists a-plenty on here!
I remember at the time when he was firmly number one, suggesting that he made too many silly mistakes only to be shouted down with "WHAT KEEPER DOESNT MAKE MISTAKES?".

The reality is somewhere in between. He is a great shot stopper, as shown again today, but has too many lapses of concentration and iffy distribution. When he's switched on he has the potential to be a top goalie.

Football fans are revisionist by nature, online or otherwise. Some sort of jilted lovers dynamic with ex players, not only for us but among most fanbases. It's all part of the pantomime
 

Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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Brighton
One of those players looked good and scored goals in the PL and the Bundesliga

The other has looked good and scored goals in the Scottish PL

I know which one i'd be taking
Very different players. A fox in the box instinctive striker compared to a forward/winger who is very fast and very strong with a trick or two up his sleeve plus he is good in the air.

We could have them both.
 

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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Gloucester
One of those players looked good and scored goals in the PL and the Bundesliga

The other has looked good and scored goals in the Scottish PL

I know which one i'd be taking
I don't think either of them have generally looked good, except (and it's a big 'except'!) for scoring goals. Apart from that, they could be competition winners getting a game!
 

beardy gull

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Jul 18, 2003
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Portslade
Top 5 players for goal involvement per 90 minutes played. Not bad company he’s keeping.
“In combined per 90 terms, only four players have started more than one league game in Europe’s top five divisions and been more productive than (Leon) Bailey (1.35): Kylian Mbappe (1.44), Deniz Undav (1.67), Serhou Guirassy (1.95) and Harry Kane (1.98)”.
 

Happy Exile

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Apr 19, 2018
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Top 5 players for goal involvement per 90 minutes played. Not bad company he’s keeping.
“In combined per 90 terms, only four players have started more than one league game in Europe’s top five divisions and been more productive than (Leon) Bailey (1.35): Kylian Mbappe (1.44), Deniz Undav (1.67), Serhou Guirassy (1.95) and Harry Kane (1.98)”.
You can see all his goals here - have watched a few and rebounds and tap-ins seem dominant which points to him being quick and great positional play more than I remember seeing for us https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/player/deniz-undav#stats
 


peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Very interesting comments from their "European football expert" about Undav on Hawksbee and Jacobs today around 14:40pm, suggesting he is coming back?

Also suggests he will be at euros but is eligible for both Germany and Turkey so undecided which one he'll go to.

The wider section on stuttgart (Ghuirassy too) generally starts at 10:15, the actual Undav comments at 11:35.

Worth a listen

 
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sagaman

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Dec 25, 2005
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Brighton
Think Deniz has really grown as a player.

I would prefer him to Danny Wellbeck who has done okay but ageing, never prolific and often unavailable due to injuries
 

Bakero

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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Think Deniz has really grown as a player.

I would prefer him to Danny Wellbeck who has done okay but ageing, never prolific and often unavailable due to injuries

The whole thing about Welbeck being injured is becoming a bit of a myth. Since his return from surgery he missed just 7 league games out of about 70 until he got his current injury which has kept him out for 6 games so far. That is not the record of someone who is often unavailable.
 

Badger Boy

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Jan 28, 2016
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Welbeck was, is and always will be a better player than Deniz Undav. He might be doing alright in Germany, but he's obviously not a Premier League player. He has the brain but not the legs, good luck to him in Germany at Stuttgart (beautiful place) but all the talk of getting him back in tickles me. It's not THAT long ago he was floundering around looking like a competition winner and wasting chances for us.
 

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