Day 6 - Thu 10th Feb - FACTS AND FIGURES

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Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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Inquiry Update: Hour report day 7

Like a Bat colliding with a Vehicle, I walked straight into a locked door and banged my knee, "Dumbass!" I said to myself and upon entering through the correct doorway I was met with the Receptionist barely containing her fits of laughter at my stupity...bitch!

After a few gentle rubs of the knee (not from the lady) I wandered upto the Chamber Of Horrors and took seat again in the Nimby section as I cant be arsed to sit next to someone I dont know, Martin Perry was in the dock...I've since renamed him Pezza for fun value (what?)

It was all about the cost of stadiums at the various sites, the NIMBY attacking scum (Mr White) was throwing questions to Pezza left, right and centre. It appears that the THV owners would lease out the stadium to BHA but not any other land, if BHA wanted to add a Business park for example then they would have to pay shitloads for the privalegde (sp?) and BHA would laso have to fund and create a Fully Serviced Access area...think this may mean a Road! Pezza added that the owners "would not permit any other use" without a cash sum, Mr Styles is the owners name unless I am mistaken.

It was then I caught the Inspector looking at me, I think he may of been Intimidated by my clean shaven head, either that or he'd been to the Madjeski Stadium.....nah it was my Hooligan appearance!

After more questions and deliberations the Pezmeister was starting to get pissed off with this NIMBY, you tell that from his actions and Signs of "For f*** SAKE!" every minute or so. They disagreed about the Percentage of Contingency Plans for various things, all abit over my head as they threw sums at each other like a Tennis Match. I think the NIMBY won that set but was'nt too sure.

The NIMBY White then went on to compare stuff to Hull Citys ground, Pezza (probably for the millionth time in the Inquiry already) stated that "No two stadiums are alike", I was waiting for the Ashburton Grove card to be played but the NIMBY kept it to his chest.

Abit more argy-bargy and up stepped the ever faithful Mr Hopkins representing the NIMBY/LDC side, he looks and really is a class A Twat. Things were mentioned when a sudden hush fell over the place and the only thing to be heard was Mr Clay (representing the Good Guys) mumbling along to himself, probably a cunning plan of how to get into his secretarys knickers...at least thats what I was thinking about!

Pezza started to go on about how BHA had added Basic Costs, External Costs & Infastructure Costs into one Lump Amount, Hopkins then started to argue that if you take out the Infastructure costs you get closer to affordability...DUH!

Pezza then pointed out that Falmer & Sheepcote were simular in Cost but THV was different due to the Scope of Works at issue and not the cost, figures were said but my pen fell on the floor...DOH!

Hopkins seems to be pushing the Shoreham sites (Airport/Port/Cement) more than the others, as discussions about Car/Bus/Coach Parks began, Pezza said that 1474 Car Spaces was the absolute minimum for a stadium and that 10,000sq foot was going to be used at Falmer for Coach Park but 18,000 at other sites, mainly because the Falmer COach park had moved in the plans to the North Side of Village Way from the South Side.
It moved onto THV where Pezza claimed that a 2nd roundabout was needed and that would push costs up, Hopkins did'nt seem to grasp this concept and kept banging on about lower costs only for Pezza to remind him about the 2nd roundabout...unfortunatley no Swings would be added.

Hopkins then came out with another Gem, he wanted to know why BHA has'nt given cost of Falmer Coach/Bus/Car Park areas but they have for the other sites, Pezza, pissed off even more explained that this Inquiry was about the other sites NOT about Falmer, the Inspector nodded his head!

Coffee break...long one this time, how Lord B gets a whole day into 8 paragraphs I'll never know!......mmmm coffee rush......

Falmer would be used with Falmer High School and the Uni for Education, Skills Training & Employment areas (which is all could), Pezza went onto explain how Falmer Site would become a Community Stadium not just a football ground - with this he compared it to the other sites which would not be able to have this as relative funding would not be available, apart from Sheepcote. Here the College Of Media Arts (which is set to close and be bought out by the City College) could be used but the plans conflicted that of a Stadium Site but it could be possible. Apparently for every Child at school you need a certain amount of space for a building (Library for example) before funding Help can come into play, Falmer has this all set and Sheepcote to a degree.

Hopkins then went on about Shared Development at other clubs (SAKE), Pezza said that Other sites were not an option in this area as the Shoreham Harbour owners wont sell and asking the Port of a bit more space was not an option, Airport owners wont sell and the Cement owners, who would give Albion the land for free, wanted a Fully Serviced Site - sort of a Goodwill gesture from us to provide that as we get the land for zilch.

It then went onto Aquiring Land from Councils to buy land, Brighton Council "could" get THV but at a cost, Pezza explained that Adur council would'nt want to get land at the Airport for someone else...fair point!

At this point the Inspector called lunch and I waved goodbye to the Inquiry & Mr Clays assistant for the final time. I only wish I could get to the Closing Submission days (when everything is finally reviewed) but alas I begin life as a Lawn Care Operative on Monday, far away from a Desk, Computer & unfortunatley NSP/NSC.

I hope you enjoyed my Inquiry posts (sorry if they are abit long winded), they are seen through a novices eyes and I advise anyone to get along to the Inquiry of they can, I've left with a positive attitude that Falmer really IS the only site but I've only been three hours of the 5-6 week long process.....but at least in my heart I believe we are on course for a YES!
 
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Albion Dan

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Jul 8, 2003
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Still cant work out if its going in our favour or not. To be honest after everyone thought wed bagged it last time around only for the inspectors to go against us I guess its just wait and see.

NOt getting anymore confident though :nono:
 










Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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Not too sure on start times, about 9/9:30 to 1, 2pm to 5/5:30 I would guess (lunch is always at 1) Fridays finish is at 1:30.

Pezza is Martin Perry.

No cant get the birds number :( like I'd give it you anyway ;)
 






Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Good work Agent Crabbers.
Having infiltrated the NIMBY blue-rinse stronghold in the chamber, did you pick up on any mumbled / dribbled throughts and opinions from them ? Or did they just sit there motionless and snoozing like when I saw them ?
 
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Marc

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Easy 10 said:
Good work Agent Crabbers.
Having infiltrated the NIMBY blue-rinse stronghold in the chamber, did you pick up on any mumbled / dribbled throughts and opinions from them ? Or did they just sit there motionless and snoozing like when I saw them ?

sat there snoozing! I kept deliberatley scratching my arm thus displaying my Seagull tattoo in the hope that one of them would glance at it, did'nt work! They were all old though, youngest was a good 60 years old!
 




perseus

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Jul 5, 2003
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Goodish report Crabtree.

Seems to me that neither side can see (or rather explain) the wood for the trees and they are both as bad as each other. However, the written evidence may provide a clearer picture.

Was there any written guff, proofs of evidence etc. available for the public? I do not think there is usually for the public, but it may be a bit hard to follow what is going on otherwise?

e.g. the second roundabbout is probably an additional cost for Toads Hole because of the road junction that would have to be built. But that is only a guess.

Where there any press around?
 




Marc

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could'nt see any leaflets or anything to hand, the main parties have all that stuff which does make following it a tad hard for joe bloggs to understand. I went in without blue tinited specs and have to say we seemed to be lacklustre in certain areas but none more so than the NIMBY side.
 




Hatterlovesbrighton

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Jul 28, 2003
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Not Luton! Thank God
From reading all these threads looks like the only other site that has any chance of derailing falmer is sheepcote.

The really interesting stuff will start when LDC give their evidence.
 


perseus said:
Seems to me that neither side can see (or rather explain) the wood for the trees and they are both as bad as each other.
I can't imagine how you got that impression. Martin Perry spent all day explaining things very clearly and showing us the wood.

The fact that the opposition keep trying to lob trees at him is no justification for claiming that "they are both as bad as each other".



perseus said:
Was there any written guff, proofs of evidence etc. available for the public? I do not think there is usually for the public, but it may be a bit hard to follow what is going on otherwise?
All of the Inquiry Documents are available for the public to read. They are in the Inquiry Library, in front of the Public Gallery.

Copies of the key papers discussed today were handed out to anyone who asked for them. All you had to do was talk to Megan, who is very obliging.

Getting hold of documents from the NIMBYs is more difficult. They are less obliging.



perseus said:
the second roundabbout is probably an additional cost for Toads Hole because of the road junction that would have to be built. But that is only a guess.
The point was that the Albion (and the THV landowner) think that two roundabouts are essential to provide safe access for emergency vehicles. Lewes District Council had only included one roundabout in their version of the scheme. That's one of the reasons why Lewes have estimated lower costs.



perseus said:
Where there any press around?
I think the Argus were there for part of the morning session.
 




Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
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Lord Bracknell said:
Martin Perry spent all day... showing us the wood.

All you had to do was talk to Megan, who is very obliging.

mmm... all sounds very 'entertaining', eh Lord B?
:lolol:
 




Friday's session is 9.30 - 1.30.

First appearance will be Colin Child, who is trying to make a case for Sheepcote Valley to be the preferred site.

Then we'll have evidence from the Albion's ecology expert (who was supposed to start today, but couldn't because the questioning of Martin Perry dragged on for so long).

After the Albion's ecologist, it should be the turn of Paul Rainier, the Albion's town planning consultant. But I doubt if we will get round to him.

Robert White, the Lewes DC lawyer, is unable to be present on any day next week (another Immovable Professional Commitment that has been known about for months), but he does need to be there to cross-examine Paul Rainier. Paul is therefore likely to delay giving his evidence until Tuesday 22 February.

Next week's proceedings will involve witnesses who Lewes District Council won't need to cross-examine - including the Friends of Stanmer Park, Falmer Parish Council, Rottingdean Parish Council, the Friends of Waterhall, the Society of Sussex Downsmen and the Regency Society of Brighton & Hove.
 




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