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[Albion] Brighton fans meltdown: arrived (Was incoming)



Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,859
It seems to me that last year's achievements may have made some of us presume that we automatically belong in the highest echelons of European football and that us fans are being let down by every disappointing result, so in response to the recent spate of woe is us/sack everyone threads, here's a little context.

Last season's 6th place was the best finish in the club's history. 21/22's 9th was the second best, third was 13th in 1981/82. We're currently 10th and 13 points ahead of the team in 14th. It seems safe to say that this will probably at least equal the third best league finish we've ever achieved. We've done this whilst playing in Europe for the first time and we topped our group. We still currently have a positive goal difference. Last season was the only in our existence that we'd finished a season in the top flight with a positive goal difference.

This is the squad from last year's FA Cup semi-final, along with details of how it's changed this year and the player's availability this term. To give a fuller picture I've added some of last year's squad who were not available for that game. The availability detail is not to provide excuses, but to show the various challenges the squad has faced whilst getting to where we are this year.

NameStill in Squad?ReplacementAvailability
SanchezGoneVerbruggenOkay
GrossYesPlayed 44 matches in 22/23. With internationals has played 45 this year with 7 games to go
Webster
Yes
Injured in November missed 10 matches - played only 6 since then and only once for the full 90
Dunk
Yes
Played 42 matches in 22/23. Has played 41 this year with 7 games to go
EstupinanYesMissed 15 matches October to January
CaicedoGoneDahoudGone
Mac AllisterGoneBalebaOkay
MarchYesInjured in October - out for the season
EncisoYesMeniscus tear in second game of the season - missed 30 games and hasn't yet played 90 minutes all year.
MitomaYesOut for three games before international absence. Back injury in February - Out for the season
WelbeckYesMissed 11 Matches October to December
ColwillGoneIgorOkay
UndavLoanedPedroMissed 9 games in Feb/March
SteeleYesOkay
AyariGoneMilnerMissed 17 games through injury. Hasn't played since January
GilmourYesMissed the last 6 games through injury
van HeckeYesAlready played 37 matches this season. 5 more than he has played in any previous full season
VeltmanYesMissed 8 games Dec-Feb
BuonanotteYesAlready played over double the minutes he played last season
OffiahSent on loan. Returned due to illnessHinshelwoodInjured in Feb - Out for the season
LallanaYesOkay
FergusonYesCurrently injured.
TrossardWent in January 2023AdringaMissed a few games with a hamstring injury just before the ANC
SarmientoLoanedFatiMissed 13 games Dec-Feb

We are the only team in the top 10 that is not also in the top ten of the division's largest salaries: https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

Over the last five seasons the rest of the top ten have transfer balances that range from -€367.96m (West Ham) to -€909.58m (Chelsea). In the same period we have made €12.66m. We're the only team to have made a transfer profit over that period and remain in the division.

None of this implies that fans can't be frustrated when our form is bad, or worried that it's not going to click again. None of this excuses poor performances and our coaching team wouldn't let it. However, it's provided as a gentle reminder that our success is against the odds. It's always going to be an uphill battle. There will always be knock backs and they'll often be frequent. We're always going to be raided by richer opponents. We're always going to need periods of renewal whilst younger players bed in and improve. None of this has been at all likely and it is actually far more likely that it ends than it sustains.

We're on an incredible ride and this rollercoaster will have a lot of dips along with the incredible peaks. When we experience the dips, logic suggests that it's better to all stay in the car and trust that there may be a peak coming than to throw stuff at the ride controller, or call for him to sack the engineer.

Sorry this is so long: if anybody wants the abridged version:- Amongst the excitement, we've suffered a bit this year, but we've faced it together and if we stick together, we will be stronger for it in the future. We will never have an automatic right to three points against anybody in this league. Stop these silly threads. If Palace were doing them on their forum, we'd be massively amused at the sheer hubris.
 
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Me and my Monkey

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2015
3,402
I think most people are pretty sensible about where we're at, but as with any other situation in life it's the screaming hysterics and catastrophists that will make the most noise. The majority of us just quietly sit back rolling our eyes and occasionally tutting at all the silliness.
 






S'hampton Seagull

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2003
6,832
Southampton
It seems to me that last year's achievements may have made some of us presume that we automatically belong in the highest echelons of European football and that us fans are being let down by every disappointing result, so in response to the recent spate of woe is us/sack everyone threads, here's a little context.

Last season's 6th place was the best finish in the club's history. 21/22's 9th was the second best, third was 13th in 1981/82. We're currently 10th and 13 points ahead of the team in 14th. It seems safe to say that this will probably at least equal the third best league finish we've ever achieved. We've done this whilst playing in Europe for the first time and we topped our group. We still currently have a positive goal difference. Last season was the only in our existence that we'd finished a season in the top flight with a positive goal difference.

This is the squad from last year's FA Cup semi-final, along with details of how it's changed this year and the player's availability this term. To give a fuller picture I've added some of last year's squad who were not available for that game. The availability detail is not to provide excuses, but to show the various challenges the squad has faced whilst getting to where we are this year.

NameStill in Squad?ReplacementAvailability
SanchezGoneVerbruggenOkay
GrossYesPlayed 44 matches in 22/23. With internationals has played 45 this year with 13 games to go
Webster
Yes
Injured in November missed 10 matches - played only 6 since then and only once for the full 90
Dunk
Yes
Played 42 matches in 22/23. Has played 41 this year with 13 games to go
EstupinanYesMissed 15 matches October to January
CaicedoGoneDahoudGone
Mac AllisterGoneBalebaOkay
MarchYesInjured in October - out for the season
EncisoYesMeniscus tear in second game of the season - missed 30 games and hasn't yet played 90 minutes all year.
MitomaYesOut for three games before international absence. Back injury in February - Out for the season
WelbeckYesMissed 11 Matches October to December
ColwillGoneIgorOkay
UndavLoanedPedroMissed 9 games in Feb/March
SteeleYesOkay
AyariGoneMilnerMissed 17 games through injury. Hasn't played since January
GilmourYesMissed the last 6 games through injury
van HeckeYesAlready played 37 matches this season. 5 more than he has played in any previous full season
VeltmanYesMissed 8 games Dec-Feb
BuonanotteYesAlready played over double the minutes he played last season
OffiahSent on loan. Returned due to illnessHinshelwoodInjured in Feb - Out for the season
LallanaYesOkay
FergusonYesCurrently injured.
TrossardWent in January 2023AdringaMissed a few games with a hamstring injury just before the ANC
SarmientoLoanedFatiMissed 13 games Dec-Feb

We are the only team in the top 10 that is not also in the top ten of the division's largest salaries: https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

Over the last five seasons the rest of the top ten have transfer balances that range from -€367.96m (West Ham) to -€909.58m (Chelsea). In the same period we have made €12.66m. We're the only team to have made a transfer profit over that period and remain in the division.

None of this implies that fans can't be frustrated when our form is bad, or worried that it's not going to click again. None of this excuses poor performances and our coaching team wouldn't let it. However, it's provided as a gentle reminder that our success is against the odds. It's always going to be an uphill battle. There will always be knock backs and they'll often be frequent. We're always going to be raided by richer opponents. We're always going to need periods of renewal whilst younger players bed in and improve. None of this has been at all likely and it is actually far more likely that it ends than it sustains.

We're on an incredible ride and this rollercoaster will have a lot of dips along with the incredible peaks. When we experience the dips, logic suggests that it's better to all stay in the car and trust that there may be a peak coming than to throw stuff at the ride controller, or call for him to sack the engineer.

Sorry this is so long: if anybody wants the abridged version:- Amongst the excitement, we've suffered a bit this year, but we've faced it together and if we stick together, we will be stronger for it in the future. We will never have an automatic right to three points against anybody in this league. Stop these silly threads. If Palace were doing them on their forum, we'd be massively amused at the sheer hubris.
Great post!
 






GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
47,264
Gloucester
We know we're not entitled. Few, if any, were expecting to turn over Arsenal yesterday. Hope, yes - expectance, no. Push them all the way like we did to Liverpool would be great; a draw would be a good result. Exactly - we all know where we are.
But things aren't going well - so we discuss it. We question what went wrong, we criticise what we think are wrong decisions or mistakes. We argue with each other - don't we just! But that ain't entitlement, it's just football fans behaving normally - we'd be having the same discussions if we were League1 and things weren't going well.
 


Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,859
I think most people are pretty sensible about where we're at, but as with any other situation in life it's the screaming hysterics and catastrophists that will make the most noise. The majority of us just quietly sit back rolling our eyes and occasionally tutting at all the silliness.
True. However, we wouldn't be without the screaming hysterics and catastrophists in the fanbase. They were absolutely vital when the Goldstone was being sold from under us. There's a time for all of us to shine. A run of mediocre results leaving us mid table in the richest league in the world? Call in the tutters.
 


Me and my Monkey

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2015
3,402
True. However, we wouldn't be without the screaming hysterics and catastrophists in the fanbase. They were absolutely vital when the Goldstone was being sold from under us. There's a time for all of us to shine. A run of mediocre results leaving us mid table in the richest league in the world? Call in the tutters.
You're very magnanimous, I like it! 😄
 






A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
18,634
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Wait, Trossard was in our semifinal squad last season? Surprised Arteta didn’t moan about that.
 


Cotton Socks

Skint Supporter
Feb 20, 2017
1,872
It seems to me that last year's achievements may have made some of us presume that we automatically belong in the highest echelons of European football and that us fans are being let down by every disappointing result, so in response to the recent spate of woe is us/sack everyone threads, here's a little context.

Last season's 6th place was the best finish in the club's history. 21/22's 9th was the second best, third was 13th in 1981/82. We're currently 10th and 13 points ahead of the team in 14th. It seems safe to say that this will probably at least equal the third best league finish we've ever achieved. We've done this whilst playing in Europe for the first time and we topped our group. We still currently have a positive goal difference. Last season was the only in our existence that we'd finished a season in the top flight with a positive goal difference.

This is the squad from last year's FA Cup semi-final, along with details of how it's changed this year and the player's availability this term. To give a fuller picture I've added some of last year's squad who were not available for that game. The availability detail is not to provide excuses, but to show the various challenges the squad has faced whilst getting to where we are this year.

NameStill in Squad?ReplacementAvailability
SanchezGoneVerbruggenOkay
GrossYesPlayed 44 matches in 22/23. With internationals has played 45 this year with 13 games to go
Webster
Yes
Injured in November missed 10 matches - played only 6 since then and only once for the full 90
Dunk
Yes
Played 42 matches in 22/23. Has played 41 this year with 13 games to go
EstupinanYesMissed 15 matches October to January
CaicedoGoneDahoudGone
Mac AllisterGoneBalebaOkay
MarchYesInjured in October - out for the season
EncisoYesMeniscus tear in second game of the season - missed 30 games and hasn't yet played 90 minutes all year.
MitomaYesOut for three games before international absence. Back injury in February - Out for the season
WelbeckYesMissed 11 Matches October to December
ColwillGoneIgorOkay
UndavLoanedPedroMissed 9 games in Feb/March
SteeleYesOkay
AyariGoneMilnerMissed 17 games through injury. Hasn't played since January
GilmourYesMissed the last 6 games through injury
van HeckeYesAlready played 37 matches this season. 5 more than he has played in any previous full season
VeltmanYesMissed 8 games Dec-Feb
BuonanotteYesAlready played over double the minutes he played last season
OffiahSent on loan. Returned due to illnessHinshelwoodInjured in Feb - Out for the season
LallanaYesOkay
FergusonYesCurrently injured.
TrossardWent in January 2023AdringaMissed a few games with a hamstring injury just before the ANC
SarmientoLoanedFatiMissed 13 games Dec-Feb

We are the only team in the top 10 that is not also in the top ten of the division's largest salaries: https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

Over the last five seasons the rest of the top ten have transfer balances that range from -€367.96m (West Ham) to -€909.58m (Chelsea). In the same period we have made €12.66m. We're the only team to have made a transfer profit over that period and remain in the division.

None of this implies that fans can't be frustrated when our form is bad, or worried that it's not going to click again. None of this excuses poor performances and our coaching team wouldn't let it. However, it's provided as a gentle reminder that our success is against the odds. It's always going to be an uphill battle. There will always be knock backs and they'll often be frequent. We're always going to be raided by richer opponents. We're always going to need periods of renewal whilst younger players bed in and improve. None of this has been at all likely and it is actually far more likely that it ends than it sustains.

We're on an incredible ride and this rollercoaster will have a lot of dips along with the incredible peaks. When we experience the dips, logic suggests that it's better to all stay in the car and trust that there may be a peak coming than to throw stuff at the ride controller, or call for him to sack the engineer.

Sorry this is so long: if anybody wants the abridged version:- Amongst the excitement, we've suffered a bit this year, but we've faced it together and if we stick together, we will be stronger for it in the future. We will never have an automatic right to three points against anybody in this league. Stop these silly threads. If Palace were doing them on their forum, we'd be massively amused at the sheer hubris.
Bugger off with your sensible post!!! Some people won't even read half of it and will accuse you of not allowing them to be p**sed off! I'm sure they'll be someone who can decide you're doom mongering from that as well.
Far too many facts and far too much balance! :ban: ;)
 




southstandandy

WEST STAND ANDY
Jul 9, 2003
5,784
The simple fact is we are scoring fewer and conceding more than last season :

FOR GOALS PER GAME AGAINST
1.64 This season......................1.58
1.89 Last season.......................1.39

It's no real surprise that we are where we are.

Just looking forward to next season now
 




Silverhatch

Well-known member
Feb 23, 2009
4,450
Preston Park
True. However, we wouldn't be without the screaming hysterics and catastrophists in the fanbase. They were absolutely vital when the Goldstone was being sold from under us. There's a time for all of us to shine. A run of mediocre results leaving us mid table in the richest league in the world? Call in the tutters.
Indeed - that was (football) Existential! This is upper-elite-performance-angst. WOKE🤣
 


Peacehaven Wild Kids

Well-known member
Jan 16, 2022
2,590
The Avenue then Maloncho
Don’t bring me into this negativity bollocks, not guilty. Best season ever for me. The negatives for me yesterday was mainly to do with the lack of sunshine and Arsenal fans carrying on like ….well, Arsenal fans.

Moving forward, law of average says we’re overdue a decent run in The Rumbelows Cup or whatever it’s called now
 




Publius Ovidius

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,284
at home
We know we're not entitled. Few, if any, were expecting to turn over Arsenal yesterday. Hope, yes - expectance, no. Push them all the way like we did to Liverpool would be great; a draw would be a good result. Exactly - we all know where we are.
But things aren't going well - so we discuss it. We question what went wrong, we criticise what we think are wrong decisions or mistakes. We argue with each other - don't we just! But that ain't entitlement, it's just football fans behaving normally - we'd be having the same discussions if we were League1 and things weren't going well.
Oh I think we have a huge amount of entitled fans!
 


Peacehaven Wild Kids

Well-known member
Jan 16, 2022
2,590
The Avenue then Maloncho
Oh I think we have a huge amount of entitled fans!
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