[Politics] Brexit

[Blues Guitarist]

Did you vote for any of the shit we have now, or the last 2 PM's we have had?.

The irony is that there was a vote for PM (albeit limited to members of the Conservative Party). Sunak lost, and now he’s PM. That’s democracy for you!

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Where is Ted Heath when you want him. The man with the vision that a Common Market would benefit all of us. Even Thatcher supported that concept. As kids, we all felt it made sense.
Why did no one have the foresight to form a tripartite agreement between Germany, France and UK. A Northern European powerhouse. No need for a dysfunctional body of nearly 30 countries, that is too unwieldy. Aaaah...the power of hindsight.
( German food inflation running higher than UK, due to rocketing energy costs )
Oh my Boycott and Edrich years ago.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

An update from me after the kind responses previously. This month we finally got approval from the EUSS.

18 months of absolute ball ache is now over.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Where is Ted Heath when you want him. The man with the vision that a Common Market would benefit all of us. Even Thatcher supported that concept. As kids, we all felt it made sense.
Why did no one have the foresight to form a tripartite agreement between Germany, France and UK. A Northern European powerhouse. No need for a dysfunctional body of nearly 30 countries, that is too unwieldy. Aaaah...the power of hindsight.
( German food inflation running higher than UK, due to rocketing energy costs )
Oh my Boycott and Edrich years ago.

So now you have actually got the Brexit that you campaigned and voted for, which parts are you most pleased with

 

[chickens]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

I’m sorry, but this is redefinition after the fact. The Brexit campaigned for and promised was an economic windfall that included a full Customs Union with the EU and was going to power our NHS and public services and make us the envy of the developed world.

I can promise you that there’s very little envy of us in the rest of Europe. There’s whole heaps of pity from our less belligerent and more collegiate neighbours, who have watched us aim at our feet and fire both barrels, but no envy.

This ‘sovereignty’ you speak of is, frankly, the right to be rude and belligerent to our neighbours. We had that right as part of the EU, we have it outside the EU. Of course, the EU is a huge trading bloc, can choose who it does less or more business with, and won’t accept goods of inferior quality that don’t meet its standards. We now have the right to make goods that don’t meet EU regulations with impunity, but who wants to buy them?

Are the same people who voted for Brexit also advocating the return of the British Empire? The only scenario in which we get to be rich, spoilt, sulky and throw our weight around, is if we control everything. We don’t. The world has moved on around us, and if you’re waiting for King Charles or any British government to reverse that, you’ll take your folly with you to the end.

There is no such thing as sovereignty in a modern connected global economy. We work with others to mutually agreed standards, or we wither and drift into obscurity.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I was after an intelligent response for Brexit benefits, so, ChatGPT is was. Here is the response:

1. Sovereignty and control: One of the primary arguments for Brexit was the desire for the UK to regain control over its laws, borders, and trade policies. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to make independent decisions without being bound by EU regulations and directives. It was seen as an opportunity for the UK to exercise its sovereignty and shape its own destiny.
2. Trade agreements: Brexit supporters believed that leaving the EU would enable the UK to negotiate its own trade agreements with countries outside the EU, fostering new economic opportunities. By having the freedom to establish bilateral trade deals, the UK could potentially tailor agreements to its specific needs and priorities, rather than conforming to EU-wide trade policies.
3. Budget savings: The UK was one of the net contributors to the EU budget, meaning it paid more into the EU than it received in funding. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to retain the funds it previously contributed and allocate them to domestic priorities, such as healthcare, education, infrastructure, or research and development.
4. Regulatory flexibility: As an EU member, the UK had to adhere to EU regulations, which some argued could stifle business innovation and flexibility. Brexit proponents believed that leaving the EU would grant the UK the ability to create regulations that better suited its own market conditions, potentially reducing red tape and bureaucracy.
5. Immigration control: Concerns about the impact of immigration on the UK's economy and society played a significant role in the Brexit debate. Leaving the EU was seen by some as a means to regain control over immigration policy, allowing the UK to set its own rules and requirements for entry, work permits, and residency.

 

[Randy McNob]

Can Brexit supporters advise which of the below brexit benefits were delivered?

 

[Lever]

I’m sorry, but this is redefinition after the fact. The Brexit campaigned for and promised was an economic windfall that included a full Customs Union with the EU and was going to power our NHS and public services and make us the envy of the developed world.

I can promise you that there’s very little envy of us in the rest of Europe. There’s whole heaps of pity from our less belligerent and more collegiate neighbours, who have watched us aim at our feet and fire both barrels, but no envy.

This ‘sovereignty’ you speak of is, frankly, the right to be rude and belligerent to our neighbours. We had that right as part of the EU, we have it outside the EU. Of course, the EU is a huge trading bloc, can choose who it does less or more business with, and won’t accept goods of inferior quality that don’t meet its standards. We now have the right to make goods that don’t meet EU regulations with impunity, but who wants to buy them?

Are the same people who voted for Brexit also advocating the return of the British Empire? The only scenario in which we get to be rich, spoilt and sulky and throw our weight around, is if we control everything. We don’t. The world has moved on around us, and if you’re waiting for King Charles or any British government to reverse that, you’ll take your folly with you to the end.

There is no such thing as sovereignty in a modern connected global economy. We work with others to mutually agreed standards, or we wither and drift into obscurity.

This is clear and in my view undeniable. Thank you. I fear it has little power to persuade the die-hard Brexit supporters because theirs is an emotional rather than rational conviction.....

 

[Lever]

I was after an intelligent response for Brexit benefits, so, ChatGPT is was. Here is the response:

1. Sovereignty and control: One of the primary arguments for Brexit was the desire for the UK to regain control over its laws, borders, and trade policies. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to make independent decisions without being bound by EU regulations and directives. It was seen as an opportunity for the UK to exercise its sovereignty and shape its own destiny.
2. Trade agreements: Brexit supporters believed that leaving the EU would enable the UK to negotiate its own trade agreements with countries outside the EU, fostering new economic opportunities. By having the freedom to establish bilateral trade deals, the UK could potentially tailor agreements to its specific needs and priorities, rather than conforming to EU-wide trade policies.
3. Budget savings: The UK was one of the net contributors to the EU budget, meaning it paid more into the EU than it received in funding. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to retain the funds it previously contributed and allocate them to domestic priorities, such as healthcare, education, infrastructure, or research and development.
4. Regulatory flexibility: As an EU member, the UK had to adhere to EU regulations, which some argued could stifle business innovation and flexibility. Brexit proponents believed that leaving the EU would grant the UK the ability to create regulations that better suited its own market conditions, potentially reducing red tape and bureaucracy.
5. Immigration control: Concerns about the impact of immigration on the UK's economy and society played a significant role in the Brexit debate. Leaving the EU was seen by some as a means to regain control over immigration policy, allowing the UK to set its own rules and requirements for entry, work permits, and residency.

All true and thank you for taking the time to set it out.

 

[Blues Guitarist]

I was after an intelligent response for Brexit benefits, so, ChatGPT is was. Here is the response:

1. Sovereignty and control: One of the primary arguments for Brexit was the desire for the UK to regain control over its laws, borders, and trade policies. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to make independent decisions without being bound by EU regulations and directives. It was seen as an opportunity for the UK to exercise its sovereignty and shape its own destiny.
2. Trade agreements: Brexit supporters believed that leaving the EU would enable the UK to negotiate its own trade agreements with countries outside the EU, fostering new economic opportunities. By having the freedom to establish bilateral trade deals, the UK could potentially tailor agreements to its specific needs and priorities, rather than conforming to EU-wide trade policies.
3. Budget savings: The UK was one of the net contributors to the EU budget, meaning it paid more into the EU than it received in funding. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to retain the funds it previously contributed and allocate them to domestic priorities, such as healthcare, education, infrastructure, or research and development.
4. Regulatory flexibility: As an EU member, the UK had to adhere to EU regulations, which some argued could stifle business innovation and flexibility. Brexit proponents believed that leaving the EU would grant the UK the ability to create regulations that better suited its own market conditions, potentially reducing red tape and bureaucracy.
5. Immigration control: Concerns about the impact of immigration on the UK's economy and society played a significant role in the Brexit debate. Leaving the EU was seen by some as a means to regain control over immigration policy, allowing the UK to set its own rules and requirements for entry, work permits, and residency.

Could you please ask ChatGPT what benefits these 5 points have deivered for the average UK citizen?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I was after an intelligent response for Brexit benefits, so, ChatGPT is was. Here is the response:

1. Sovereignty and control: One of the primary arguments for Brexit was the desire for the UK to regain control over its laws, borders, and trade policies. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to make independent decisions without being bound by EU regulations and directives. It was seen as an opportunity for the UK to exercise its sovereignty and shape its own destiny.
2. Trade agreements: Brexit supporters believed that leaving the EU would enable the UK to negotiate its own trade agreements with countries outside the EU, fostering new economic opportunities. By having the freedom to establish bilateral trade deals, the UK could potentially tailor agreements to its specific needs and priorities, rather than conforming to EU-wide trade policies.
3. Budget savings: The UK was one of the net contributors to the EU budget, meaning it paid more into the EU than it received in funding. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to retain the funds it previously contributed and allocate them to domestic priorities, such as healthcare, education, infrastructure, or research and development.
4. Regulatory flexibility: As an EU member, the UK had to adhere to EU regulations, which some argued could stifle business innovation and flexibility. Brexit proponents believed that leaving the EU would grant the UK the ability to create regulations that better suited its own market conditions, potentially reducing red tape and bureaucracy.
5. Immigration control: Concerns about the impact of immigration on the UK's economy and society played a significant role in the Brexit debate. Leaving the EU was seen by some as a means to regain control over immigration policy, allowing the UK to set its own rules and requirements for entry, work permits, and residency.

So it appears reports are true and artificial intelligence is already way ahead of some organic forms of intelligence in giving up on Brexit and taking the piss

And I saw this report

Council on hook ‘for £10m’ over border post left in limbo by Brexit​

As white elephants go, few come larger than £25m. That is the cost of the hi-tech border control post, built to government specifications to handle post-Brexit checks on goods entering the UK, that sits near the waterfront at Portsmouth international port. The building has sat empty and unused for almost a year since its completion, after the UK government announced in April last year that the introduction of post-Brexit import checks would be delayed for a fourth time.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...smouth-unused-post-brexit-border-control-post

It is a neat little summary of the complete and utter clusterf*** of concept, planning and implementation which is Brexit, in a nutshell

 

[Surf's Up]

Can Brexit supporters advise which of the below brexit benefits were delivered?

Unbelievable bullshit in that short film which just underlined what a total con-job the Brexiteers perpetrated. Just makes me angry.

 

[Machiavelli]

Larry Summers tells it as it is: "Brexit is a historic economic error".
He's not wrong. Unfortunately we're stuck with this historic economic error for a while now. Not for ever, but for a while.

 

[BrightonCottager]

So it appears reports are true and artificial intelligence is already way ahead of some organic forms of intelligence in giving up on Brexit and taking the piss

And I saw this report

Council on hook ‘for £10m’ over border post left in limbo by Brexit​

As white elephants go, few come larger than £25m. That is the cost of the hi-tech border control post, built to government specifications to handle post-Brexit checks on goods entering the UK, that sits near the waterfront at Portsmouth international port. The building has sat empty and unused for almost a year since its completion, after the UK government announced in April last year that the introduction of post-Brexit import checks would be delayed for a fourth time.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...smouth-unused-post-brexit-border-control-post

It is a neat little summary of the complete and utter clusterf*** of concept, planning and implementation which is Brexit, in a nutshell

I've heard the same has happened at Newhaven

 

[Bakero]

We've hit a new low:

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We've hit a new low:

Britain being laughed at, around the world,

 

[Is it PotG?]

Britain being laughed at, around the world,

We're kind of used to it, take Eurovision for example.
We nearly always come last with next to 'nil points'.
We'll cope.

 

[WATFORD zero]

We're kind of used to it, take Eurovision for example.
We nearly always come last with next to 'nil points'.
We'll cope.

I assume when you say 'we're kind of used to it' you are talking on behalf of yourself and the rest of the few remaining Brexit supporters

 

[Is it PotG?]

I assume when you say 'we're kind of used to it' you are talking on behalf of yourself and the rest of the few remaining Brexit supporters

No, no.

Let's try this slowly.

The poster said something on the lines of the world is laughing at Britain, as a whole.

Europe has, as I clearly stated, been laughing at us for years.

 

[Pavilionaire]

We're kind of used to it, take Eurovision for example.
We nearly always come last with next to 'nil points'.
We'll cope.

Bad example. Germany routinely finish Eurovision in the bottom 5 yet they are not a laughing stock.