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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
1,699
I will explain one last time .....very slowly

Everything has changed (and continues to change at an increasing pace) because that was what you voted for. As a result GB and the EU no longer have to operate the same rules for VAT or any other taxes, Veterinary rules governing livestock, additives, preservatives etc governing foodstuffs, crop fertilizers and various controls, rules of origin etc etc etc (and any resulting smuggling and tax fraud between the two entities). Taking Back Control - remember ?

You cannot do this without a significant border somewhere. The overheads and costs of the land border controls between the mainland and EU (which you seem to think are insignificant and can be implemented without a hard border) have resulted in over 30% of British companies exporting to the EU being wiped out in the last year :facepalm:

And with that I will leave the resolution of this problem to the instigators of it, yourself, Farage, Johnson and the one who was ardently against it but has now embraced it whole heartedly, Truss :lolol:
When you say "30% of of British companies exporting to the EU being wiped out in the last year", is that saying that these businesses have closed since September 2021, or is it saying that the HMRC figures for numbers of companies exporting to the EU have dropped by 30% between 2020 and 2021? Because if it's the latter, this is largely explained by the difference in how they count them. I'm sure the alteration to what goes in box 2 of the VAT returns is a big driver to this change. EU exports used to be easily measured by the entries in box 2; now, they must have a different system that accounts for the difference, according to HMRC.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...EU-Vanish-Due-To-Brexit-Related-Red-Tape.html
 


WATFORD zero

Members
Jul 10, 2003
21,498
When you say "30% of of British companies exporting to the EU being wiped out in the last year", is that saying that these businesses have closed since September 2021, or is it saying that the HMRC figures for numbers of companies exporting to the EU have dropped by 30% between 2020 and 2021? Because if it's the latter, this is largely explained by the difference in how they count them. I'm sure the alteration to what goes in box 2 of the VAT returns is a big driver to this change. EU exports used to be easily measured by the entries in box 2; now, they must have a different system that accounts for the difference, according to HMRC.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...EU-Vanish-Due-To-Brexit-Related-Red-Tape.html

Nice bit of whataboutism, but I think the discussion that we have had regarding the NIP over the last couple of days has simply proven that you didn't have any idea what you were voting for and still don't. Don't worry you are certainly not alone in that :wink:

Anyway I have wasted enough time explaining the situation regarding Ireland/NI in increasingly simple terms. Have a nice rest of the day :wave:
 

WATFORD zero

Members
Jul 10, 2003
21,498
Yep, we waiting for a few other things to happen aren’t we?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexit

I reckon if mine dropped 18% I would still be ahead from 2016.

Swings and roundabouts innit

From that article that you managed to dig out from over 6 years ago

The chancellor said house prices would be lower by at least 10% and up to 18% compared with what is expected if Britain remains in the EU and there will be an “economic shock” that will increase the cost of mortgages.

Well we've only been out the transition period a little over 20 months and the cost of mortgages is increasing hugely, inflation is spiralling, GDP is dropping, the cost of living is rising but you are totally convinced none of this will effect the price of your property ???

After your prediction that Brexit would be a great victory for the British working classes you can see how I may remain less than entirely convinced by your latest prediction :lolol:
 

cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
4,634
From that article that you managed to dig out from over 6 years ago

The chancellor said house prices would be lower by at least 10% and up to 18% compared with what is expected if Britain remains in the EU and there will be an “economic shock” that will increase the cost of mortgages.

Well we've only been out the transition period a little over 20 months and the cost of mortgages is increasing hugely, inflation is spiralling, GDP is dropping, the cost of living is rising but you are totally convinced none of this will effect the price of your property ???

After your prediction that Brexit would be a great victory for the British working classes you can see how I may remain less than entirely convinced by your latest prediction :lolol:


And yet……..

House prices continued to rise………must be all those bankers that decided to stay and not head off to the EU?

Fascinating.
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
Oct 8, 2003
39,692
Faversham
Many years ago out very own Das Reich reassured me that after Brexit we would bus in and out all the cheap labour we need to pick the fruit in September.

Below some fields today in Faversham. The boxes empty, nobody to be seen and the apples falling and rotting.

Another Brexit bonus!

Apples 1.jpg

apples 2.PNG
 


Randy McNob

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Jun 13, 2020
3,701
why on earth the notion of a 'festival of Brexit' emerged is quite mid blowing. Why would anyone celebrate being more restricted, poorer, and policy which is undeniably a complete failure

[tweet]1573185490534256642[/tweet]
 

WATFORD zero

Members
Jul 10, 2003
21,498
why on earth the notion of a 'festival of Brexit' emerged is quite mid blowing. Why would anyone celebrate being more restricted, poorer, and policy which is undeniably a complete failure

[tweet]1573185490534256642[/tweet]

A complete and utter disastrous waste of money celebrating a vastly bigger complete and utter disastrous waste of money ?

Seems appropriate, if somewhat disproportionate :shootself
 

WATFORD zero

Members
Jul 10, 2003
21,498
I really couldn't have summed it up better

Whisper it, but it was the folly of Brexit that paved the way for Truss’s crazy libertarian zeal

Whisper it – this is where Brexit has inexorably led. A democratic vote has transmuted into a rightwing coup, culminating in a destructive libertarian programme, an attempt to shrink a state the right considers bloated, to eliminate the last remnants of regulation, to try to drive taxes down, however vital to sustain public services. All in the name of “liberating enterprise” and forcing “self-reliance” on what the Brexit right consider a lazy, cushioned workforce. The line from Brexit to last week’s debacle is straight and obvious.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/whisper-it-but-it-was-the-folly-of-brexit-that-paved-the-way-for-truss-s-crazy-libertarian-zeal/ar-AA12uZES?ocid=EMMX&cvid=0e7d719e63694a79b9beb154d9397a25

There really can't be many more pennies left to drop as to what this whole thing was about, can there ? Farage to Johnson to Truss to this :shootself
 
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Blue3

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Jan 27, 2014
4,882
Lancing
The Government the BBC and all the Tory friendly press blame the mess we are currently in upon Covid19, the war in Ukraine, World markets and a global financial slowdown verging upon a global recession but no one ever mentions let alone includes Brexit
 

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
14,956
Gods country fortnightly
The Government the BBC and all the Tory friendly press blame the mess we are currently in upon Covid19, the war in Ukraine, World markets and a global financial slowdown verging upon a global recession but no one ever mentions let alone includes Brexit

And now we have a PM obsessed with growth or lack of.

Its what happens when you impose trade sanctions on yourself
 

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