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Big Phil - were you watching, SVEN ?



Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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After a gruesome opening game defeat, Scolari dragged a pretty average Portugese side to the Final, where they deservedly lost to the Greeks. But you have to admire the guy. A larger-than-life character who his players really seem to respond to. Not afraid of making big decisions, or upsetting players (five changes in tonights starting line-up from the one which started the opening game), this fella is a hands-on, fully involved coach of his team, who is in complete control.

The bloke never seems to be seated during a match. Throughout every game he is there at the edge of his technical area encouraging, cajoling, directing his team from the sidelines. He reacts to the pattern of play, making adjustments and changes, gives new instructions. At any break in play, he is calling a player over and having a word with him. And it was more, much more than Keegans simplistic, rather desperate "thumping heart" signal from the sidelines. It was real direction. For the penalty shootout against England, he was on the pitch encouraging, putting his arm round his players, instilling his passion, desire and belief.

In stark contrast, what does Eriksson do ? His arse is glued to that bench for the duration of the match. He presumably says his piece before kickoff, and at half time, and thats it. No matter what is happening on the pitch during those 90 minutes, there he stays. No changes unless absolutely necessary. No reaction to the flow of the game. Once the players have crossed the white line, thats it, he'll play no further part until half time, or the end. Passiveness personified.

Obviously there is more to coaching a team than simply bawling from the sidelines. But Sven goes to the other end of the scale completely - he might just as well go and sit with Motty as co-commentator once the teams out on the pitch, for all the input, reaction and direction he provides from the dugout.

If Scolari was in charge of that England squad, I firmly believe we would have progressed beyond the Quarters. He would have got more from those players than Sven ever could.
 




Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
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Living In a Box
So another foreign manager for us ?

Better than Curbishley or Bruce
 


Stumpy Tim

Well-known member
Every manager has different methods. Alf Ramsey didn't run along the touchline shouting. Nor does Arsene Wenger

If that's what you're after, then may I suggest Barry Fry as the next England manager :jester:
 




Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Hansen was saying pretty much the same last night concluding that Sven's negativity with substitutions had cost us whereas Scolari's had got Portugal to the final.

Please go Sven :angry:
 




Lammy

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Oct 1, 2003
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Am I the only one here that thinks if a player is being paid up to (and in some cases above) £100,000 a WEEK they should pretty much know what they're doing on the pitch? Sven should have a game plan. He should then pick the best team for that game plan. He should then explain to those player what the game plan is and how he would like the game played out. Set pieces should have been carefully rehersed in training time and time again. The captain calling the plays. If a change in shape or tactics is require then a substitution is invariably required. This sub then trots out onto the pitch and conveys the managers sentiments to the rest of the team especially the captain.

Other than that I see no reason for a manager to get animated on the touchline as if anything it probably confuses and distracts the players from the job in hand.
 


Easy 10

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Lammy said:
Sven should have a game plan. He should then pick the best team for that game plan. He should then explain to those player what the game plan is and how he would like the game played out.
This is my main beef with Sven.
Sure, he has a game plan. But if its going tits up, he does NOTHING to change it. Time and time again we have seen England fall deeper and deeper, become more and more under the cosh, and Sven just sits there. No debate, no consultation with his backroom staff, nothing. The guy seems totally incapable of thinking on his feet and reacting to things when it starts going wrong.

I know its not just a case of standing on the sidelines bawlingout instructions - theres obviously more to it than that. But England consistantly fail to keep their shape when under pressure, and a coach who's being paid £4m a year should be capable of fixing that, at least.
 


Barnet Seagull

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Jul 14, 2003
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Tactically I think Sven was one of the most attacking of the managers in Euro 2004

He was basically playing with four attacking midfielders and left it pretty much up to them as to who would sit back and who would attack.

France were woeful with two defensive midfielders, Italy, too defensive as were Spain. The Czech republic played some great counter-attacking football but couldn't produce anything when they needed to break Greece down.

I honestly think that Sven got it right with the style of play and the first eleven, although I can't help thinking King/Campbell worked better than Terry/Campbell..

When you bring on Phil Neville, Darius Vassell or Emile Heskey, you're in trouble.

Ditching Sven makes no sense.
 






Marc

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Jul 6, 2003
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Now matter how much you try or type Easy, Sven will not be getting the sack, Sven will be leading us to WC2006 so please learn to deal with it as these constant ramblings are becoming :yawn:

sorry
 






Easy 10

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CrabtreeBHA said:
Now matter how much you try or type Easy, Sven will not be getting the sack, Sven will be leading us to WC2006 so please learn to deal with it as these constant ramblings are becoming :yawn:

sorry
What, so you are actually saying that the FA don't even bother reading NSC to gauge the public opinion on the England manager ? That is shocking.

Well, their loss then innit.
 


Jambo Seagull

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Jul 18, 2003
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Barnet Seagull said:
Tactically I think Sven was one of the most attacking of the managers in Euro 2004



Eh? One of the more bizarre statements I've heard for a while England lost the two games they lost because they got an early goal and tried to defend it for the rest of the game just like Greece. They're just not as good as Greece at defending leads. Sven just played what he felt were the best 11 players without thinking about the shape of the team or anything. You can't just play 4 attacking midfielders, trying to defend. You have to have your ballwinners and people who are comfortable defending. Sven tried to outGreece Greece without the players to do it. I can't believe it has taken people so long to realise what a dud Sven is. i can't help thinking that with the players England have got they could and should have gone further in this tournament. Or maybe they aren't as good as they're cracked up to be.
 


Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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Im with Easy on this, and I wont stop banging on about it until Sven goes.

For the first time in My life i look forward with NO optimism about this side, as even with the best group of players we have had in 30 years, i know that with Sven in charge, we will make a similar exit in Germany 2006, to those of the last World Cup and Euro Championships. :(
 




CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
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I find it ridiculous that you can blame Sven for how this tournament went for England.

We do not have the embarrasment of riches that everyone seems to think we have, nor do we have a divine right to do well in major tournaments.

The fact is that if the referee in the Portugal game had half a brain we would have been in the semi finals, not a bad effort really. We've uncovered a legend in Rooney whose partnership with Owen was visibly improving minute by minute (what would have happened if he hadn't got injured so early on in that game?), Ashley Cole and Gary Neville looked excellent at full backs and Sol Campbell again looked top of the tree as far as centre backs go.

The big let down in Portugal were the performances of Steven Gerrard and Beckham. Becks is the most influential player in our side, supposedly, but his head really was not in Japan. This was highlighted by his penalty miss, what a SPAZ shot that was. Gerrard wasn't his usual self at all, I don't think he's ever had time to completely rid himself of his knee injury that he sustained a couple of years back.

One good thing that has come from this tournament is more talk of a desperately needed winter break in this country, as well as the number of games that our top players are playing nowadays. Frank Lampard played mearly 60 games last season. SIXTY.
 


Easy 10

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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
The fact is that if the referee in the Portugal game had half a brain we would have been in the semi finals, not a bad effort really

One good thing that has come from this tournament is more talk of a desperately needed winter break in this country, as well as the number of games that our top players are playing nowadays. Frank Lampard played mearly 60 games last season. SIXTY.
Yes, we were robbed by a refs decision, but it doesn't alter the fact that we were absolutely run ragged for almost the entire match by Portugal, and I don't care what anyone says, with the players we have, we should be capable of better than that.

As for a winter break - it won't alter the number of games our top players have to play in, and it will inevitably mean either more fixture congestion, or the season ending even later (and closer to the start of the summer tournaments).
 


CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
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Run ragged but we should have beaten them.

As for the winter beak - players will hopefully get a rest mid season, preventing them from the incredible fatigue they get now. If they get a chance for their bodies to rest half way through they will ultimately be stronger come the end of the season.
 


Hannibal smith

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Jul 7, 2003
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By far and away the best game England played was against Croatia and the reason why we played so well was because we had to come from behind. We created chance after chance buried 4 of them and looked like a great attacking force. (How good the Croatians were is another argument)

Contrast this with going 1-0 up against France / Brazil / Portugal putting 8 or 9 men behind the ball, inviting pressure and then getting beat. That's the really frustrating thing. We have made the same error in 2 tournaments in 3 match's where we have tried and failed to protect a 1-0 lead. In the Portugal game Scolari knew he could push Deco further forward due to our defensive tactics, whereas if we had say bought Dyer on instead of Neville it may of given the Portuguese something to think about. To my mind Sven's thinking was way too cautious and predictable, good coach's will take advantage and win the tactic's battle.

Similarly, bringing Vassell on for Rooney was criminal. The biggest problem for England is the link play between the attack and the midfield - A role Rooney performs to perfection negating the use of the 'Diamond' Why not bring on Hargreaves and play Scholes in the hole? Why not Heskey who is better with his back to goal? A Good coach would surely have spotted this, that Vassell and Owen together are as effective as a Chocolate teapot.

The verdict? Sven isn't a bad coach but a 3 million a year coach who is the difference between success and failure he aint. I would say sack him but having had painful memories of Keegan and Taylor, at least Sven hasn't decided that Paul Telfer is the solution to our left wing problem. That, at least, is progress.
 






Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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Chappers if your happy to continually go out of tournaments at the quarter final stage playing negative football then Svens your man.
 


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