B.Liar & Straw Still Trying To Con The Electorate Over Iraq

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Big surprise. The Iraq Survey Group finds no evidence that Saddam Hussein had chemical, biological or nuclear weapons when Iraq was invaded. The reaction of B.Liar and Jack Straw? Front it out of course. Phew, give thanks to our God that we took the evil dictator out when we did because the Iraq Survey Group has found 'that Saddam hoped to revive a WMD programme once sanctions were lifted'.

Wonder what depths of governmental arm-twisting went on to force them to include that little get-out clause?

These people have forfeit the right to any level of trust whatsoever.

 

[Rougvie]

I was thinking last night what would happen if someone really high profile started challenging Blair and his cohorts, maybe Martin Bell, would the country start taking notice of the con trick of the century ?

I cant believe some peoples apathty to being lied to, if your family or mates did it they wouldnt put up with it !!

 

[Albion Dan]

But we got rid of an evil man!

It was well worth the 20,000 innocent civilian murders, the 1500 or so dead uk and us soldiers, the 80,000 or so seriously injured and maimed, and the hell hole of an infrastructure left behind in the name of a country, that is now overrun by terrorist factions that were no where near Iraq before all this started!

Oh and we got some oil too!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I cant believe some peoples apathty to being lied to, if your family or mates did it they wouldnt put up with it !!

Absolutely. As things stand, these swine don't appear to be accountable to anybody at all for this behaviour which is at best shockingly incompetent and at worst an act of deliberate criminality which has led to the deaths of thousands of people and made the world a very much more dangerous place than it was before the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq.

 

[Brixtaan]

At the time though i thought it was a good idea to go in.So i don't blame Tony for anything.

Still gets my vote i'm afraid.

 

[Rougvie]

Problem I have is that after voting Labour all my life I will NEVER vote for them again, but what are the alternatives ??

To me there doesnt appear to be anything jumping out, no one really I can relate to, in fact it all just fills me with apathy.

I try not to think of it too much, voting which used to be such an enjoyable experience

 

[fatbadger]

At the time though i thought it was a good idea to go in.So i don't blame Tony for anything.

The problem is that rather a lot of people who thought it was a good idea at the time did so because of Blair's lies.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

The problem is that rather a lot of people who thought it was a good idea at the time did so because of Blair's lies.

Actually, if you watched the interview with the people who wrote the report, it was said that Blair didn't lie but they were given wrong info.

 

[fatbadger]

You forget that in the Hutton Inquiry, several documents came up which Blair saw and which state that there is no definite evidence that Saddam is a threat or has WMD - and yet Blair told the Commons and the public that there was such evidence.

Let me guess - he wasn't lying, he was just telling little fibs. Is that what you're saying?

 

[London Irish]

People must remember that more Labour MPs voted against the war than those from any other party. I'm a proud Labour Party member and I don't think we should all be judged because of the smug wanker we've got leading us at this current time. He won't be around for much longer, maybe 2 years max after the General Election, as he is knackered and his family are suffering a lot of personal problems.

People who hate Blair from the left should actually join the Labour Party right now, because you will get far more of a say who will be the next PM after Blair than by voting in the next General Election. The General Elerction is a non-contest, Labour will walk it as the Tories are still unelectable because of Europe and the LDs are still a party of ill-defined opportunists, although they could get a few more seats. Ken Livingstone is a great example of what can be still achieved by thinking socialists in the Labour Party.

 

[fatbadger]

People must remember that more Labour MPs voted against the war than those from any other party.

In absolute terms, maybe - but not as a proportion of the party's MPs.

 

[Hunting 784561]

The Great British Electorate are however fundamentally selfish, and whatever they think about party politics, will normally vote on how affluent or well off they feel...

On that basis, Blair and Straw can continue to lie for Britain until the proverbial cows come home, but it wont be until UK house prices drop by the predicted 40%, that the Tories will sneak back in.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Thoroughly disgraceful that only Robin Cook out of the entire cabinet had the balls to resign over the decision to go to war. These are not stupid people, they knew damn well what Robin Cook and anybody with an IQ higher than their shoe size knew - namely that Iraq had no WMDs. Why, they could have read it on NSC, where it was very well documented at the time. Too late to do anything about it this time around, apart from the dim hope of a War Crimes Commission, but this must surely be the last time that a cabinet allows itself to be emasculated by an over-bearing dictatorial Prime Minister. Happened under Thatcher, happened under B.Liar. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low.

 

[Sorrel]

I'm not convinced that TB intented to deceive the country, but the effect of the spin at the time (all the tabloids headlines) does make it look that way.

As to why Blair wanted to invade Iraq: My personal opinion is that Blair wanted to be a force for good in quite a moral way. I think in the British sectors of Iraq he succeeded - I think life in Basra and the surrounding areas is better than than before. It's just a pity that the Americans are so hopeless at any military tactic other than attacking, and that every would-be terrorist in the region wants nothing better than to have a go at the Americans.

People who hate Blair from the left should actually join the Labour Party right now, because you will get far more of a say who will be the next PM after Blair than by voting in the next General Election

Amusingly, I'm considering joining the Labour Party as I consider myself a supporter of the current government. I am a bit worried that I'll find I'm the only one in my local consitituency party.

 

[m20gull]

The Great British Electorate are however fundamentally selfish, and whatever they think about party politics, will normally vote on how affluent or well off they feel...

That's because there's naff all to choose between them. They're all centre right, social welfare loving parties with a slight difference of emphasis on how to pay for it. Tories would love to come right out and follow UKIP but daren't - it's bad for business.

 

[Beach Hut]

I can't help feeling most of this is down to Bush trying to better his father politically. At the time of the first Gulf war the Allied force could and should have removed Hussain and kept him locked up somewhere however Bush Snr decided it was not in the mandate. I accept the fact by removing one nutter a replacement is usually readily available however it would have potentially destabilised Iraq and perhaps changed national feeling.

You have to ask why were Iraqis readily slapping every torn down statue of Saddam yet now the country is in total chaos - presumably there is a stronger feeling of nationalism and anti Americanism than was first thought.

I think the situation is now doomed in that country and we are now in too deep to walk away, I've now idea what the solution is now.

However is appears some facts advised were clearly incorrect therefore the war appears to have been fought with no real ground for reason.

I feel for all the victims of this war at a time like this.

 

[m20gull]

You have to ask why were Iraqis readily slapping every torn down statue of Saddam yet now the country is in total chaos - presumably there is a stronger feeling of nationalism and anti Americanism than was first thought.

It's a question of numbers. I doubt the majority of Iraqis are involved in resistance, just enough to be a pain in the neck when they can get unlimited amounts of arms from neihgbouring sympathisers. Of course, all we see here is the problems, not the millions of Iraqis peacefully getting on with their lives.

 

[London Irish]

It's a question of numbers. I doubt the majority of Iraqis are involved in resistance, just enough to be a pain in the neck when they can get unlimited amounts of arms from neihgbouring sympathisers. Of course, all we see here is the problems, not the millions of Iraqis peacefully getting on with their lives.

The problem is that the millions of peaceful Iraqis don't want the invaders either, and so will colloborate in a low-level way with the insurgents by not turning them in, etc. That's why establishing law and order is impossible currently in Iraq, the security forces have no legitimacy. Meanwhile, the real extremist groups like Al Quada have a free hand to train and operate because there is chaos everywhere and the toppling of Saddam has actually boosted the forces of extreme Islamic fundamentalism.

There was a recent opinion poll that discovered the current Iraqi prime minister Alawi got something like 4%. That's like America invading Britain and installing Kilroy as prime minister.

 

[m20gull]

The problem is that the millions of peaceful Iraqis don't want the invaders either, and so will colloborate in a low-level way with the insurgents by not turning them in, etc. That's why establishing law and order is impossible currently in Iraq, the security forces have no legitimacy. Meanwhile, the real extremist groups like Al Quada have a free hand to train and operate because there is chaos everywhere and the toppling of Saddam has actually boosted the forces of extreme Islamic fundamentalism.

There was a recent opinion poll that discovered the current Iraqi prime minister Alawi got something like 4%. That's like America invading Britain and installing Kilroy as prime minister.

Opinion polls count for nothing, there's no surprise an outsider like Alawi has little support. The key to a peaceful future is an election, whoever wins, so the security forces have legitimacy.