[News] A transgender woman has been found guilty of rape ..

[Guinness Boy]

What’s interesting is there’s more comment on Caicedo having a new agent, than a man who has raped 2 women, who claims is /wants to be a woman. Strange days indeed

Facebook's that way mate ->

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

 

[Weststander]

Because it’s a football forum perhaps and not the daily mail comments section.

At many times it's felt like a party politics forum, with a bit of football as an adjunct.

RDZ's wonderful football, some bans and a warning shot from @Bozza all seemed to bring the de facto takeover by a tiny cabal to an end. I hope.

 

[Greenbag50]

Facebook's that way mate ->

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Please explain

 

[Greenbag50]

Because it’s a football forum perhaps and not the daily mail comments section.

Only commenting on OP. Any less relevant post than your favourite song on same forum?

 

[AstroSloth]

I must admit I find the whole political 'discussion' about transexuals absolutely bizarre. It's been going on for ages now.

According to the most recent census, which over 48m completed, only 0.5% of people identify as a gender different from the one assigned at birth.

I can see why the issue can be contentious for women, but when we're dealing with such small numbers it's almost irrelevant, and completlely unimportant.

Who exactly is pushing this as an issue and why?

Tories are pushing it because it creates a culture war and keeps people from actually looking at what they're doing.

Terfs enjoy it because it allows them to be bigoted much easier.

 

[clapham_gull]

Tories are pushing it because it creates a culture war and keeps people from actually looking at what they're doing.

Terfs enjoy it because it allows them to be bigoted much easier.

When you start throwing abusing new terms around in this debate, you've kind of lost the argument.

I don't care what kind of toilet I use, but I know a number of women very uncomfortable with sharing them with men (and that's biologically born men) where workplace toilets are defined as "unisex".

They'd probably define themselves as left of centre and I wouldn't describe them as bigoted or either transphobic in any shape of form. They've just been forced to adapt and change because of a very fierce debate with feminism that has nothing to do with them.

The reality is that most wouldn't care if someone either defining themselves as a women or has transitioned was using "their" toilets. Somewhat anecdotally someone I used to know someone who transitioned and I met them for the first time afterwards as they walking out of the "ladies" and I was walking out the "gents". Nobody cares....

But since defining toilets as "male" or "female" is in the minds of some "bigoted", the compromise is urinals have disappeared, everything is a sit down job unless those with a penis invariable piss on the seat.

Many women feel uncomfortable listening to a bloke having a dump in the next cubicle.... believe it or not.

Women on the whole really hate it, but are afraid to say anything.

If someone defines themselves as female left use the female toilets, if someone defines themselves as a man let then use the male. If someone is somewhere else, them them choose. NOBODY CARES.

It's an issue that barely affects the vast majority of the population beyond the loss of the urinal.

However where I agree with you is that many right wing voices have picked it up to add it to their list of how society is being destroyed and only they can protect us.

They've lit a fire and walked away laughing.

As for the original post ?

It's irrelevant what the person defines themselves before after or during.

The story just adds to same culture wars that defined gay people as "dodgy" in the 80s. It's no different.

I just think this debate is far more complex in that it has potential side effects on women who aren't having an argument with anyone.

 

[Razzoo]

If he ends up in a women''s prison I hope that the inmates pin him down and sort out his transition for him.

 

[Greenbag50]

When you start throwing abusing new terms around in this debate, you've kind of lost the argument.

I don't care what kind of toilet I use, but I know a number of women very uncomfortable with sharing them with men (and that's biologically born men) where workplace toilets are defined as "unisex".

They'd probably define themselves as left of centre and I wouldn't describe them as bigoted or either transphobic in any shape of form. They've just been forced to adapt and change because of a very fierce debate with feminism that has nothing to do with them.

The reality is that most wouldn't care if someone either defining themselves as a women or has transitioned was using "their" toilets. Somewhat anecdotally someone I used to know transitioned and I met them for the first time afterwards as they walking out of the "ladies" and I was walking out the "gents". Nobody cares....

But since defining toilets as "male" or "female" is in the minds of some "bigoted", the compromise is urinals have disappeared, everything is a sit down job unless those with a penis invariable piss on the seat.

Many women feel uncomfortable listening to a bloke having a dump in the next cubicle.... believe it or not.

Women on the whole really hate it, but are afraid to say anything.

If someone defines themselves as female left them use the female toilets, if someone defines themselves themselves as a man let then use the male toilets.

That said, it's an issue that barely affects the vast majority of the population beyond the loss of the urinal.

However where I agree with you is that many right wing voices have picked it up to add it to their list of how society is being destroyed and only they can protect us.

They've lit a fire and walked away laughing.

As for the original post ?

It's irrelevant what the person defines themselves before after or during.

The story just adds to same culture wars that defined gay people as "dodgy" in the 80s. It's no different.

I just think this debate is far more complex in that it has potential side effects on women who aren't having an argument with anyone.

It’s very relevant how the law defines them under the equality act. Protected characteristic; that’s what matters

 

[beorhthelm]

I must admit I find the whole political 'discussion' about transexuals absolutely bizarre. It's been going on for ages now.

According to the most recent census, which over 48m completed, only 0.5% of people identify as a gender different from the one assigned at birth.

I can see why the issue can be contentious for women, but when we're dealing with such small numbers it's almost irrelevant, and completlely unimportant.

Who exactly is pushing this as an issue and why?

typically its raised by two groups. first feminist who are peeved that some of their rights are being encrouched on by men that chose to be women. second those that vociferously oppose any suggestion biology cant be changed and trans rights must be supported at any cost. the 0.05% with actual sexual dysmorphia are in the crossfire just trying to deal with their day to day.

 

[RowZ]

I wouldn't post this on here.....this is a very pro LGBT group.......Premier League is a strong vehicle for LBGT......join the dots and it's easy to work out LBGT narrative and agenda comes from the "mischief gang" and is aimed at certain nations only.

Research suicides from gender transition, and the large % of men to women who have to dildo themselves daily for the rest of their lives to keep it open......and the infections, $80k operations to try and fix etc......

The thing is, the "mischief gang" have it arranged now in places like the UK, that to be "disgusted by anything" now means "hate crime / extremist." It's all a clever trick.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Tories are pushing it because it creates a culture war and keeps people from actually looking at what they're doing.

Terfs enjoy it because it allows them to be bigoted much easier.

Look at you either trying to be oh so bloody down with the kids, or on a fishing trip. Pointless either way.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A long sentence?

Try a Paul Barber email?

 

[Questions]

Raping two women when she was a man.

What times we live in.

And that’s why they shouldn’t be in women’s locker rooms or toilets… Bloody rapist weirdos and they use more toilet paper than ‘proper’ women..

 

[A1X]

Ah I see the opportunity to attack a whole group of people based on the awful actions of one member hasn’t been missed by those seemingly delighted for the opportunity to exploit it.

 

[Stato]

When you start throwing abusing new terms around in this debate, you've kind of lost the argument.

I've no desire to extend a manufactured debate which is just using the old trick of concentrating only on the small conflicts between the rights of minority groups in order to distract from who really holds the power in our society. It will only serve to make the lives of a tiny minority of already pretty excluded people more difficult.

However, the pedant in me can't resist pointing out that of the two terms used in the quoted post only 'tory' was coined as a slur. The word derives from an old word that meant 'outlaw' and was used to label a faction in the English Parliament who didn't want the eventual James II removed from the line of succession because of his Catholicism. Interestingly, their argument wasn't based upon not discriminating against him because of his religion, but on a belief that inheritence based on line of birth (based on primogeniture obviously) was sacrosant. Decades after the glorious revolution replaced James with the protestant William & Mary a new political group self identifying as 'Tories' became the Whigs' opponents and eventually morphed into the Conservative Party.

Terf, as explained in Episode 6 of Jon Ronson's fascinating 'Things Fell Apart' Radio 4 series, was a term coined simply to distinguish those radical feminists who believed that trans women should be excluded from an all women music festival from those radical feminists who believed that they should be included. The term, although purely descriptive, has since been used as a label by opponents of the surrounding ideology and is seen as a slur by some. It's use online these days is not really very accurate, because most objecting to trans rights are not radical feminists, but instead are conservatives who ride wedge issues for political capital, regardless of the real life consequences for those they are exploiting.

 

[Curious Orange]

We need to build a lot more prisons to account for the 90 odd genders there apparently are.

Nah, they just need to be relabeled:

Prison for people who have a penis.
Prison for people who don't have a penis.

Same applies to toilets, though I guess some people might find the signage offensive as both would have a picture of the male member...

 

[carlzeiss]

Terf, as explained in Episode 6 of Jon Ronson's fascinating 'Things Fell Apart' Radio 4 series, was a term coined simply to distinguish those radical feminists who believed that trans women should be excluded from an all women music festival from those radical feminists who believed that they should be included. The term, although purely descriptive, has since been used as a label by opponents of the surrounding ideology and is seen as a slur by some. It's use online these days is not really very accurate, because most objecting to trans rights are not radical feminists, but instead are conservatives who ride wedge issues for political capital, regardless of the real life consequences for those they are exploiting.

North of the border this issue has raised a few eyebrows it seems

 

[81jamie]

This could prove to be very interesting from a legislation point of view and impact current grey areas such as school travel involving overnight stays, summer camps, changing rooms etc etc.

 

[AstroSloth]

Look at you either trying to be oh so bloody down with the kids, or on a fishing trip. Pointless either way.

What?

I'm a 25 year old who's grown up in Brighton and knows non CIS people who have been demonised their entire life.

Having empathy isn't a fishing trip.

 

[Diallo]

Who exactly is pushing this as an issue and why?

It must be Team Woke. They’d push a pram off a cliff if they were told it was the moral thing to do.