[News] The Sun what an absolutely gutter press paper it really is!

GT49er · Sep 17, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
Many of us know about your habit of making impenetrable remarks and then completely ignoring polite requests to clarify them, but I shall try.

*Clears throat*

"Your comment clearly implies that I am stereotyping Leave voters by suggesting they all read the Sun, Express or Mail, when in fact 14m of them (your figure) don't. Can you please explain where I have said anything of the sort, or indeed said anything other than the fact that the three newspapers described by another as toilet paper are also the leading Brexit-promoting tabloids."

Sigh......

My reply was to a group of posters pointing out that these three papers were pro-Brexit. I agree, generally they are. One of your fellow posters quoted the circulation of 3M for these papers. Three million only - yet 17M plus voted to leave the EU. Do the maths - and try to accept that some leavers made up their own minds to vote leave and didn't vote that way because the Mail/Express/Sun told them to.
And don't tell me you didn't realise that 'Daily Mail readers' isn't one of the many gratuitous (but inaccurate) insults routinely batted out by remainers (along with old, thick, etc., etc)

Juan Albion · Sep 17, 2019

Weststander said:
Want to make this political, i.e. only talk about non-Labour papers, rather than NSC to reach a rare consensus about scummy antics by any papers? Then let’s bring in the disgraceful questioning by The Guardian of David Cameron’s grief over his disabled lad’s death. They only apologised after a furore.

Not me, I'm just pointing out I can understand why a previous post was made.

Farehamseagull · Sep 17, 2019

When you think they can’t get any lower.....

Absolutely vile, disgusting, evil rag, it needs to go.

GT49er · Sep 17, 2019

Weststander said:
Want to make this political, i.e. only talk about non-Labour papers, rather than NSC to reach a rare consensus about scummy antics by any papers? Then let’s bring in the disgraceful questioning by The Guardian of David Cameron’s grief over his disabled lad’s death. They only apologised after a furore.

Agreed that scumminess is not limited to one paper, or group of papers; it's pretty much universal. It's why many of us no longer buy (or subscribe on-line to) any paper.

portlock seagull · Sep 17, 2019

I cannot see what the fuss is about. An already public domain story resurfaces in a national newspaper because of the family connection to one of our most famous sportsman who wasn’t alive at the time. Such stories have been printed for thousands of famous people before Ben. Never been a fan of the Sun nor unlike some of the hypocrites on here (no doubt!) have I ever bought it. But can’t help feel some of the faux outrage is just because it’s the Sun and it’s in vogue to bash it. Boo, hiss, nasty newspaper printing a 30 year old story...

the right footed denilson · Sep 17, 2019

Really utterly disgraceful. I (stupidly) thought that this kind of thing was even beneath the Sun this days but there you go. Couldn’t choose a worse person to pick on and they deserve the shit they’ll no doubt get for it. Should be final straw after the Leveson Inquiry.

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portlock seagull · Sep 17, 2019

GT49er said:
Agreed that scumminess is not limited to one paper, or group of papers; it's pretty much universal. It's why many of us no longer buy (or subscribe on-line to) any paper.

Or any media in that case. Stop reading NSC too. It’s a source of news! I think people need to chill out. Or admit that we read the news that suits our bias. The permanently outraged liberal left read the BBC and Guardian amongst others because they align with their views mostly. Equally right wing perspectives seek the DT, Spectator etc. But essentially, there’s not a written word in any publication that doesn’t suit the authors paymaster! That’s why you have to read multiple sources and make your own mind up, or at least challenge each ones assertions. And even then...But it can be hard to find the truth these days amongst so many misleading or fake sources. Easy to say can’t trust any of them but you’ve got to trust something or someone’s opinion to get by in life and it’s why most of us end up gravitating towards those that express our own prejudices and or life experiences. Naturally so in my opinion!

Hastings gull · Sep 17, 2019

portlock seagull said:
Or any media in that case. Stop reading NSC too. It’s a source of news! I think people need to chill out. Or admit that we read the news that suits our bias. The permanently outraged liberal left read the BBC and Guardian amongst others because they align with their views mostly. Equally right wing perspectives seek the DT, Spectator etc. But essentially, there’s not a written word in any publication that doesn’t suit the authors paymaster! That’s why you have to read multiple sources and make your own mind up, or at least challenge each ones assertions. And even then...But it can be hard to find the truth these days amongst so many misleading or fake sources. Easy to say can’t trust any of them but you’ve got to trust something or someone’s opinion to get by in life and it’s why most of us end up gravitating towards those that express our own prejudices and or life experiences. Naturally so in my opinion!

Excellent post and so true, but please stop posting such common sense on here.

zefarelly · Sep 17, 2019

Bold Seagull said:
But dangerous, with great influence, propaganda and political power. 3m read this toilet paper every day...

It's the polar opposite of education.

zefarelly · Sep 17, 2019

Hastings gull said:
Excellent post and so true, but please stop posting such common sense on here.

Quite, and again, it highlights the lack of rounded and quality education afforded to so many children. I wont't go anywhere near parenting etc, but it's easy to brain wash the ignorant.

No ones born stupid, ignorant or intolerant.

Juan Albion · Sep 17, 2019

zefarelly said:
No ones born stupid, ignorant or intolerant.

You missed an apostrophe.

zefarelly · Sep 17, 2019

Juan Albion said:
You missed an apostrophe.

I didn't mention illiteracy. Cock.

Juan Albion · Sep 17, 2019

zefarelly said:
I didn't mention illiteracy. Cock.

Pfffft.

Rodney Thomas · Sep 17, 2019

portlock seagull said:
I cannot see what the fuss is about. An already public domain story resurfaces in a national newspaper because of the family connection to one of our most famous sportsman who wasn’t alive at the time. Such stories have been printed for thousands of famous people before Ben. Never been a fan of the Sun nor unlike some of the hypocrites on here (no doubt!) have I ever bought it. But can’t help feel some of the faux outrage is just because it’s the Sun and it’s in vogue to bash it. Boo, hiss, nasty newspaper printing a 30 year old story...

What an incredibly thick thing to say

AZ Gull · Sep 17, 2019

Nottseagull said:
Once again we have a thread castigating x because they have have said y, without saying what y actually is!

You're a fine one to talk! - "Alexei Sayle - what a piece of shit"

Nottseagull said:
One of the BBC's contingent of left-wing comedians has plumbed new depths this evening.

Bold Seagull · Sep 17, 2019

GT49er said:
Sigh......

My reply was to a group of posters pointing out that these three papers were pro-Brexit. I agree, generally they are. One of your fellow posters quoted the circulation of 3M for these papers. Three million only - yet 17M plus voted to leave the EU. Do the maths - and try to accept that some leavers made up their own minds to vote leave and didn't vote that way because the Mail/Express/Sun told them to.
And don't tell me you didn't realise that 'Daily Mail readers' isn't one of the many gratuitous (but inaccurate) insults routinely batted out by remainers (along with old, thick, etc., etc)

Rubbish, only 1 person mentioned it, you lumped the other posts in because it suited the point you wanted to make.

Bold Seagull · Sep 17, 2019

portlock seagull said:
I cannot see what the fuss is about. An already public domain story resurfaces in a national newspaper because of the family connection to one of our most famous sportsman who wasn’t alive at the time. Such stories have been printed for thousands of famous people before Ben. Never been a fan of the Sun nor unlike some of the hypocrites on here (no doubt!) have I ever bought it. But can’t help feel some of the faux outrage is just because it’s the Sun and it’s in vogue to bash it. Boo, hiss, nasty newspaper printing a 30 year old story...

In vogue to bash it...since Hillsborough?...since hacking a dead child’s phone? ...I’m trying to work out the in vogue benchmark you’re referring to?

You are right though, printing a tasteless story about a cricketer’s family isn’t it exactly high on the absolute travesties this paper has been responsible for.

nickjhs · Sep 17, 2019

The title of your thread makes it seem like you are surprised by the low standards of the paper. I haven't read it for over 30 years and this is not a surprise revelation to me.

Lincoln Imp · Sep 17, 2019

GT49er said:
Sigh......

My reply was to a group of posters pointing out that these three papers were pro-Brexit. I agree, generally they are. One of your fellow posters quoted the circulation of 3M for these papers. Three million only - yet 17M plus voted to leave the EU. Do the maths - and try to accept that some leavers made up their own minds to vote leave and didn't vote that way because the Mail/Express/Sun told them to.
And don't tell me you didn't realise that 'Daily Mail readers' isn't one of the many gratuitous (but inaccurate) insults routinely batted out by remainers (along with old, thick, etc., etc)

I don't want to labour the point, but I'm afraid you have missed it.

There was no stereotyping. No one suggested that all Leave voters read these three pro-Brexit newspapers. No one claims that the three were responsible for everyone voting Leave. No one failed to do their sums. And I do accept that "some voters made up their own minds to vote leave". Your post was based on a series of misinterpretations.

And it's a shame you felt you had to wheel out the old "they say we're all thick" trope.

Klaas · Sep 18, 2019

Lincoln Imp said:
I don't want to labour the point, but I'm afraid you have missed it.

There was no stereotyping. No one suggested that all Leave voters read these three pro-Brexit newspapers. No one claims that the three were responsible for everyone voting Leave. No one failed to do their sums. And I do accept that "some voters made up their own minds to vote leave". Your post was based on a series of misinterpretations.

And it's a shame you felt you had to wheel out the old "they say we're all thick" trope.

Mate, that is LITERALLY 75% of GT49er's post content on here.

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