[Albion] Andone or Locardia

DJ NOBO · Jul 4, 2019

chaileyjem said:
This phrase is used a lot on here in the last few weeks with assumption that Hughton had all the players in shackles and Potter would take them off. Is this simply he's known to be more attack minded thus "shackles off"

But what does "with the shackles off" actually mean for a player like Stephens ?

There are some who believe that hughton played conservatively , because he loved a bit of negativity. Nonsense. He set us up how he did because he could see the squad for what it is.
The idea that a new manager will turn this existing squad into an effective attacking force at premier league level is naive. The Belgian sounds decent but we still need to sign more quality up top.

Stat Brother · Jul 4, 2019

Dale Jasper said:
There are some who believe that hughton played conservatively , because he loved a bit of negativity. Nonsense. He set us up how he did because he could see the squad for what it is.

At least we don't have long until we find out.

durrington gull · Jul 4, 2019

Dale Jasper said:
I can’t believe there are people on here who don’t think we need a new quality forward.
I took it as a given that signing at least one, would be a priority

Im shocked tbh - people have VERY short memories of how poor we were in forward positions!

Weststander · Jul 4, 2019

durrington gull said:
Really! the ONE area where we're desperate to re enforce - remind me how many goals did our mis-firing strikers score again!!??

PL stats show that the Albion team failed to create for the strikers. Shocking stats, especially when you look at the likes of Watford and Bmuff. Shirley ACM is as much a priority as anywhere.

super-seagulls · Jul 5, 2019

Lifelong Supporter said:
Hopefully their will be striker recruitment. Otherwise pre season will determine who starts, clean slate and all that. Andone should get more minutes than Locardia.

There there

southstandandy · Jul 5, 2019

Hemed - we're doomed!

dazzer6666 · Jul 5, 2019

Weststander said:
PL stats show that the Albion team failed to create for the strikers. Shocking stats, especially when you look at the likes of Watford and Bmuff. Shirley ACM is as much a priority as anywhere.

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Absolutely as much a problem as the strikers........just not clear how much of it is down to personnel or tactics.

Weststander · Jul 5, 2019

dazzer6666 said:
Absolutely as much a problem as the strikers........just not clear how much of it is down to personnel or tactics.

I suspect a mix of both, do you?

(I’m not criticising CH for a primarily defensive approach ... with a bottom 3 squad based on cost per @El Pres, CH set about chiselling out results for survival in a league brimming with talent).

dazzer6666 · Jul 5, 2019

Weststander said:
I suspect a mix of both, do you?

(I’m not criticising CH for a primarily defensive approach ... with a bottom 3 squad based on cost per @El Pres, CH set about chiselling out results for survival in a league brimming with talent).

Very much so

y2dave · Jul 5, 2019

dazzer6666 said:
Absolutely as much a problem as the strikers........just not clear how much of it is down to personnel or tactics.

Truth is it was a combination of CH’s tactics and our lack of quality in breaking out from the low block position that we spent the vast majority of time in. We were fortunate that set piece conversion was much improved and that our defensive solidity didn’t drop off any earlier in the season. Still need another 2-3 changes in personnel for me to be confident in Potters coaching style having the desired impact.

chaileyjem · Jul 5, 2019

Dale Jasper said:
I can’t believe there are people on here who don’t think we need a new quality forward.
I took it as a given that signing at least one, would be a priority

But i've seen a photo of Locadia in training, smiling !

Surely no longer required.

GT49er · Jul 5, 2019

durrington gull said:
Really! the ONE area where we're desperate to re enforce - remind me how many goals did our mis-firing strikers score again!!??

Considerably more than our midfield, which is the priority need this summer. We've seem both Andone and Loco can score (and we know Murray can) but ultimately like all strikers they will score a percentage of the chances they get.
Trouble was last season whatever percentage they scored, it was a percentage of next to nothing - which of course is a very small amount - due to the lack of support and assistance from midfield. Yes, ultimately we'd like a better striker, but for the moment the problem is to get midfield doing the attacking part of their business.

dazzer6666 · Jul 5, 2019

GT49er said:
Considerably more than our midfield, which is the priority need this summer. We've seem both Andone and Loco can score (and we know Murray can) but ultimately like all strikers they will score a percentage of the chances they get.
Trouble was last season whatever percentage they scored, it was a percentage of next to nothing - which of course is a very small amount - due to the lack of support and assistance from midfield. Yes, ultimately we'd like a better striker, but for the moment the problem is to get midfield doing the attacking part of their business.

Yep. Biggest issue was lack of chances created, not conversion of chances.

Taybha · Jul 5, 2019

I think Andone will probably start if we fail to bring in another striker with Locadia who i personally think is the better player of the two warming the bench , Andone has a tendency to get himself booked with annoying frequency and will no doubt miss quite a few games through suspension , it's going to be very interesting to see who impressed Potter the most and thus far no loan move for Connolly so perhaps we may be in for a suprise and neither Andone or Locadia will be the main man , i think everyone would agree that we definately need a quality striker to add to the current squad and if we don't then we will not score enough goals this season with what we have to stay up .

sussex_guy2k2 · Jul 5, 2019

GT49er said:
Considerably more than our midfield, which is the priority need this summer. We've seem both Andone and Loco can score (and we know Murray can) but ultimately like all strikers they will score a percentage of the chances they get.
Trouble was last season whatever percentage they scored, it was a percentage of next to nothing - which of course is a very small amount - due to the lack of support and assistance from midfield. Yes, ultimately we'd like a better striker, but for the moment the problem is to get midfield doing the attacking part of their business.

Even then, it isn't just the midfield. It's structural as well. How do we get midfielders in a position to support the attackers? Is it with quick, counter attacking football, and do we have the pace for such an approach? Do we do it by building up more effectively from the back, and if so what players do we need to allow that style of play (and I include defenders in that, as well as midfielders and attackers). Really, it goes beyond just the midfield. It could go back as far as Ryan and whether he has it in his locker to keep the ball or play quick, incisive balls out from the back. This will all depend on how Potter sees our team setting up.

Mr Banana · Jul 5, 2019

Just spent a couple of days with some Feyenoord fans who find the price we paid for Locadia hilarious. I defended him but there again I thought Micky Adams part II was a great idea.

Albumen · Jul 5, 2019

Locadia can't read the game good enough for the Prem, that or he didn't understand CH tactics. If it's the former (which I'm guessing it is) Potter will find that out very quickly.

Blue Valkyrie · Jul 5, 2019

Albumen said:
Locadia can't read the game good enough for the Prem, that or he didn't understand CH tactics. If it's the former (which I'm guessing it is) Potter will find that out very quickly.

His old PSV manager has just taken over at Derby, so that'll be an obvious January loan out if needed...

Lifelong Supporter · Jul 5, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
His old PSV manager has just taken over at Derby, so that'll be an obvious January loan out if needed...

Perhaps that is being optimistic !! Derby could surely do better.

luge · Jul 5, 2019

Bold Seagull said:
It's not suddenly going to become a chance fest, we're not suddenly going to go to 50%+ possession every game. Potter may improve our chances created ratio, we may improve our time in the oppositions half, but we are still going to have to defend resolutely and spend many games with little of the ball. We had some impressive PL games under Hughton, 2019 isn't indicative of what happened the previous season and a half.

The seemingly slow Pascal Gross still managed 3 goals and 3 assists in 25 appearances 18/19, and 7 goals 8 assists in 38 appearances 17/18. You say I can't judge ANY of the forwards, but I can judge Gross, and he had the class and talent to deliver, and will likely continue to do so regardless of systems.

Let's not try to kid ourselves that football is all about the manager. I can quite happily judge the footballers who bought nothing to the table regardless of systems, tactics or anything else.

Gross provided those stats because of the specific role he was playing. Locadia is often played out on the wing. Listen, I agree with what you are saying - but I do think that the players in question aren't all that bad. Some will probably continue to flop, other I would expect an improvement from. Especially Andone. I don't understand why everyone hates him now.

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