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dsr-burnley · Apr 8, 2021

crodonilson said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/08/uk-covid-cases-could-rise-again-despite-vaccine-progress-who-official

The WHO seem keen that lockdown or severe restrictions remain in the UK and the success we've had is due to lockdown and not vaccination. Im not sure I totally agree I think the vaccination is having some success now but these people know the virus better than anyone and we should heed their earnings.

The WHO also seem to think that the number of deaths is rising in the UK. I don't know where that comes from.

Guardian article said:
Smallwood said that despite concern over case numbers, deaths seemed to have plateaued and increased only slightly, and not at the same rate as infections. An Imperial College London study found strong evidence that the UK’s vaccine programme is breaking the link between cases and fatalities.

No offence, crodo, but you have been among the most cautious pro-lockdown posters re. this virus. So if even you think the WHO is erring on the pessimistic side, then I'm sure you'll find you're in the majority with this one.

darkwolf666 · Apr 9, 2021

dazzer6666 said:
This. The roadmap has looked sensibly cautious from the outset to me, with the gaps between stages enough to see how things are working out - given we've had over a year of this **** a few more weeks of gradually relaxing restrictions shouldn't be beyond most people. The terminally paranoid can continue with their own private lockdown if they're that worried - no-one is going to be forced to go to the football/pub/cinema/shopping centre. It's looking increasingly likely to me that our vacc programme is going to get us out of this

Agree with most of your post, excepting the bolded bit, extremely clinically vulnerable are being forced back to work, NOW and are likely to have the safety net of priority shopping slots removed from June, so it is not only the “paranoid” that are affected by the changes.

Poojah · Apr 9, 2021

dsr-burnley said:
The WHO also seem to think that the number of deaths is rising in the UK. I don't know where that comes from.

No offence, crodo, but you have been among the most cautious pro-lockdown posters re. this virus. So if even you think the WHO is erring on the pessimistic side, then I'm sure you'll find you're in the majority with this one.

There are a few weird features in that article, not least this passage:

But Smallwood cautioned that the UK “still has potential to develop its own sort of renewed resurgence of cases without any involvement from the rest of Europe”. She said the tough measures that have been in place for nearly two months were “what’s keeping the cases down at the moment – it’s not the vaccination”.

Nearly two months? Those measures have been in place nationwide since the beginning of January so it’s well over three months, and where I live in Leeds it’s been largely that way since the end of October, the only major deviation in that time being whether or not schools were open. How recent was this interview?

Fungus · Apr 10, 2021

One of my neighbours seems to think "...all adults have been asked to do 2 home Covid-19 tests a week...." . That's not true, is it? I understood people had been offered the opportunity, but that's not the same.

atomised · Apr 11, 2021

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
One of my neighbours seems to think "...all adults have been asked to do 2 home Covid-19 tests a week...." . That's not true, is it? I understood people had been offered the opportunity, but that's not the same.

As far as I know it's every adult has the opportunity to take 2 tests per week. Nothing to say they have to

nicko31 · Apr 11, 2021

Another Covid disaster unfolding this time in India.

And a nationalist-populists at the helm, USA (Trump), UK, Brazil, Hungary.....its almost like we're seeing a trend

Justice · Apr 11, 2021

Why are people walking down empty streets with masks on

Have the government over scared the masses?

Terry Butcher Tribute Act · Apr 11, 2021

Justice said:
Why are people walking down empty streets with masks on Have the government over scared the masses?

Don't think the Government could be more clear that outside is safe, hence everything we're allowed to do outside.

The MSM not getting the message out is the problem

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CHAPPERS · Apr 11, 2021

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Don't think the Government could be more clear that outside is safe, hence everything we're allowed to do outside.

The MSM not getting the message out is the problem

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You can’t meet in groups of more than 6 outside so the message is not that’s it’s safe, which it clearly should be given the data on outdoor infections.

Kinky Gerbil · Apr 11, 2021

Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Don't think the Government could be more clear that outside is safe, hence everything we're allowed to do outside.

The MSM not getting the message out is the problem

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Disagree, there has been plenty of times they could have come out and said it’s safe and havent.

e77 · Apr 12, 2021

If someone wishes to walk down an empty street wearing a facemark it might be extremely overcautious but at the same time it might make them feel safer or they might be going between two places that need them to wear a mask and decided not to take it off in between.

Really is up to them.

W.C. · Apr 12, 2021

Justice said:
Why are people walking down empty streets with masks on Have the government over scared the masses?

And why should they not??

I've posted before about mask wearing here in Japan and the constant bleating about the issue coming out of the UK has had me shaking my head in disbelief regularly.

Blue Valkyrie · Apr 12, 2021

Justice said:
Why are people walking down empty streets with masks on Have the government over scared the masses?

Who cares. Up to them.

dazzer6666 · Apr 12, 2021

W.C. said:
And why should they not??

I've posted before about mask wearing here in Japan and the constant bleating about the issue coming out of the UK has had me shaking my head in disbelief regularly.

Quite.....as a result of the pandemic I think we'll end up being much closer to the Asian culture around mask-wearing going forward............will be plenty that will choose to continue using them (would be useful if at some point the advice shifts to 'wear a mask if you are in public and have any kind of cold/cough')

Billy the Fish · Apr 12, 2021

W.C. said:
And why should they not??

I've posted before about mask wearing here in Japan and the constant bleating about the issue coming out of the UK has had me shaking my head in disbelief regularly.

dazzer6666 said:
Quite.....as a result of the pandemic I think we'll end up being much closer to the Asian culture around mask-wearing going forward............will be plenty that will choose to continue using them (would be useful if at some point the advice shifts to 'wear a mask if you are in public and have any kind of cold/cough')

People wearing masks in Asia has come to be normal for them but it's entirely a result of bad things happening - pollution and previous pandemics being the main culprits.

I can't see it ever happening here, it's too far removed from our culture.

dazzer6666 · Apr 12, 2021

Billy the Fish said:
People wearing masks in Asia has come to be normal for them but it's entirely a result of bad things happening - pollution and previous pandemics being the main culprits.

I can't see it ever happening here, it's too far removed from our culture.

Not entirely.......it's the norm to wear a mask when you're carrying an illness to avoid spreading germs. I think we'll see it become a lot more common here.

darkwolf666 · Apr 12, 2021

Billy the Fish said:
People wearing masks in Asia has come to be normal for them but it's entirely a result of bad things happening - pollution and previous pandemics being the main culprits.

I can't see it ever happening here, it's too far removed from our culture.

And as a nation, we're a belligerent bunch of *****!

crodonilson · Apr 12, 2021

Masks are here to stay I have no doubt about that, and that should help the spread of other colds and respiratory infections which can be no bad thing, and should be deemed as good manners going forwards.

dsr-burnley · Apr 12, 2021

crodonilson said:
Masks are here to stay I have no doubt about that, and that should help the spread of other colds and respiratory infections which can be no bad thing, and should be deemed as good manners going forwards.

Masks are here to stay for those that want them. But as has been repeatedly mentioned over the past year, a certain proportion of the country had immunity to this form of coronavirus before it started, almost certainly because they have caught lesser viruses in the past. The first vaccine of all was discovered when Jenner observed that catching cowpox (a less serious disease) provided immunity from smallpox. Therefore those who want masks can by all means continue to wear them, except presumably in banks and the like; but those of us who don't want to - because we believe our immune system needs a bit of work now and then or it will be useless if and when a virus gets through - will not.

Besides which, about half a million people rely more or less wholly on lip reading and several million more, partly. It isn't good manners to them to cover your mouth up.

Billy the Fish · Apr 12, 2021

darkwolf666 said:
And as a nation, we're a belligerent bunch of *****!

I don't think that's it, we are of course belligerent in some context but we're also very polite.
Our culture relies on facial expressions and eye contact. There's been loads of times in the last year when I've given a smile or look of acknowledgement to a stranger only to realise they can't see it and can only see me staring.

Losing the ability to smile or see smiles is pretty sad and depressing. It's just another way of disconnecting people, I hope masks are consigned to the dustbin of history this summer :thumbsup:

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