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[Brighton] Brighton & Hove street map.
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Great analysis. It has to be pre-1973 as the Xavarian College area had new developments and a couple of drives by then.
Your point on covers shoves a spanner though. It could even be late 60s for that reason.
I spend much of my life looking at old maps - so this is fascinating. Love the way we've gone about this.
Just be careful though, as sometimes things are shown that have disappeared, as not all maps were resurveyed; and some maps were partly resurveyed so bits were updated in some areas but not others. And on the other hand, my local 1843 OS 6" map shows the railway which wasn't actually built until later - but was planned for some time. I can also recall one place where a canal or railway was shown, but it never actually got built!
Here's another Barnett map, presumably slightly earlier as it's 12 and a half pence.
Here's one costing two shillings https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRIGHTON-HOVE-Official-Street-Plan-c1960-by-Barnett/352487755049?hash=item5211e84d29:g:5FgAAOSwflBbxggr
However, if you really are keen to know the precise date - get in touch with GI Barnett and Son themselves! http://www.barnettmaps.com/contactus/?section=7 It says on their website that their mapping is derived from the OS rather than Bartholomews. Although, in the early days, Bartholomews were taken to court by the OS for plagiarising their data so it all comes from the same place really!
Just be careful though, as sometimes things are shown that have disappeared, as not all maps were resurveyed; and some maps were partly resurveyed so bits were updated in some areas but not others. And on the other hand, my local 1843 OS 6" map shows the railway which wasn't actually built until later - but was planned for some time. I can also recall one place where a canal or railway was shown, but it never actually got built!
Here's another Barnett map, presumably slightly earlier as it's 12 and a half pence.
Here's one costing two shillings https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRIGHTON-HOVE-Official-Street-Plan-c1960-by-Barnett/352487755049?hash=item5211e84d29:g:5FgAAOSwflBbxggr
However, if you really are keen to know the precise date - get in touch with GI Barnett and Son themselves! http://www.barnettmaps.com/contactus/?section=7 It says on their website that their mapping is derived from the OS rather than Bartholomews. Although, in the early days, Bartholomews were taken to court by the OS for plagiarising their data so it all comes from the same place really!
Nottseagull
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Excellent, from that we we can see the Goldstone in 1909
Nonsense, Theatre of Trees puts Brighton Marina as post mod era but it can clearly be seen in the background in Quadrophenia
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Excellent, from that we we can see the Goldstone in 1909
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Nonsense, Theatre of Trees puts Brighton Marina as post mod era but it can clearly be seen in the background in Quadrophenia
As can a few 1970s buses in North Street.
Goldstone, that brings back some memories...
dejavuatbtn
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AmexRuislip
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Further clues to the original date of the map. The post code system in Brighton was introduced in 1967. Those covers show postcodes.
Thus, the original map, rather than cover, is probably in the 1968-70 region.
Thunder Bolt
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It says Hove County school for Girls rather than Hove County Grammar school. I've tried to find a date for when the 'Grammar' part was dropped and the nearest I can get is a guess at 1975 when the High School became BHASVIC.
It is post decimalisation which was 71.
Thanks for that. Endless fun!
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The price is post decimalisation but the original map may not be. The drive I live on in Queen's Park is not shown in any way and it appears in directories as early as 1970.
The Xavarian area was developed by 1972. So it's before then.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
But it was still a Grammar school in 1970, not a County school for Girls.
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It may be lazy marking. Perhaps it has been copied over. There are clearly discrepancies there.
If that is post 1972 it's missing a large Queen's Park development.
I was going to say late 1960's, early 1970's. 15p for a map book is a price for the time I was an adolescent. Of course some would say I haven't changed at all since the early 1970's except for learning what Dick Me Down Shorts are in the clothing world.
Theatre of Trees
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In all likelihood the map has been amended at different times the big discrepency is the Locomotive Works which is still marked next to Brighton Station. That was closed in 1957 and demolished in 1966. Yet the Kemp Town line is not marked, that was closed and pulled up in 1971. In that case it has definitely been edited after that date, it won't be any earlier. One of the breakwaters of the Marina is marked which matches the images here: https://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/places/placesea/brighton_marina/brighton_marina and those pictures are dated June 1973 which looks like the latest amendment of the map. These amendments are not uniform as noted by the existence of the Xaverian College which was demolished in 1972.
Therefore I would say that the earliest this map appeared would be late 1973 and would definitely be available by 1974 and no later.
dejavuatbtn
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And here’s one just before the Goldstone Ground was built:
The one that drove across Bond Street in Quadrophenia was driven by our old English teacher at Steyning grammar school.
