Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

Register Log in

[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

  • Total voters
    1,081


D

Deleted member 22389

Guest
Simster said:
It's not. bashlsdir is a massive fckwit and can't see beyond the end of his nose. As we've seen on this thread countless times, he has the IQ of a badger. He's only ok with it because it's enacting something he agrees with, even though it is CLEARLY an abuse of parliamentary process.
Click to expand...

Even though I don't agree with some of you remainers, one thing I have never done on this forum is call people names. Calling me a fckwit is unacceptable.
 




G

Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
Simster said:
But the fact that they didn't was down to the fact that they felt the deal on the table wasn't in the best interests of the country - it's their job to vote like that.

You are absolutely right in saying that parliament has a job to deliver Brexit, but the issue here is that the Tories started off by putting in insane red lines. Out of the customs union, out of the single market, get rid of the Irish backstop - the problem is that doing all those things makes a sensible Brexit absolutely impossible. Do you honestly think this referendum would have ended up leave if we had been told that the only way out was a hasty, expensive no deal?

I'm a remainer as you know, and I would be "happy" to see the result respected if it had been implemented without these stupid Tory-defined red lines in place. We should already be enjoying an EFTA-like relationship with the EU. There is absolutely no mandate for where we are now.
Click to expand...

They had the former PM of Iceland on Sky today. He said that the best route for the UK was this. He also predicted that 'in the long run' the UK would flourish out of the EU, and cited Iceland as an example. The problem with his analysis was that Iceland never had to dis-entwine (if that's a word!) from a 40 year relationship with the EU. Anyway, an opportunity missed perhaps as we plunge towards the binary reality.
 




H

Hotchilidog

Well-known member
Jan 24, 2009
8,708
Simster said:
But the fact that they didn't was down to the fact that they felt the deal on the table wasn't in the best interests of the country - it's their job to vote like that.

You are absolutely right in saying that parliament has a job to deliver Brexit, but the issue here is that the Tories started off by putting in insane red lines. Out of the customs union, out of the single market, get rid of the Irish backstop - the problem is that doing all those things makes a sensible Brexit absolutely impossible. Do you honestly think this referendum would have ended up leave if we had been told that the only way out was a hasty, expensive no deal?

I'm a remainer as you know, and I would be "happy" to see the result respected if it had been implemented without these stupid Tory-defined red lines in place. We should already be enjoying an EFTA-like relationship with the EU. There is absolutely no mandate for where we are now.
Click to expand...

Absolutely spot on. I too am also a remainer but I guess I could have stomached a 'Norway style' Brexit which along with the Swiss example were touted as blueprints during the referendum campaign. I would guess that there would actually be a begrudging majority for this in the country if honestly pursued after the vote. May hamstrung the negotiations immediately with her red lines and then cynically drew the process out to the bitter end with a deal she knew did not have parliamentary support.

May went in to the 2017 election expecting an easy win so she could railroad her Brexit deal through parliament. This was on offer to the public at the election, and the truth is, it was rejected by the public. Labour won back 3 million of the 6 million voters it had lost since 1997 and robbed the tories of their comfortable majority, and that is the sole reason we are not out now. For all the flack that Corbyn gets, whilst he campaigned for remain and reform he was prepared to negotiate a soft Brexit (which many would now support) as he respected the result of the referendum.

What was not on offer during the referendum was a no-deal Brexit, which will prove massively damaging to this country. The so called patriots cheering this farce on from the sidelines will see Britain's influence in the world reduced as the big trading blocks get to dictate terms to an enfeebled economy. In addition there is every chance that Union itself will crack apart as Scotland finally says goodbye and Northern Ireland may revolt against the DUP and seek a border referendum on the island of Ireland. So much for Great Britain.

The current PM has NO mandate to wreak this havoc on our nation at all and parliament must be respected.

The referendum campaign was not fought along the lines of the current debate and any resolution to this situation must be confirmed by a democratic mandate from the public either in the form of a confirmatory vote or an election.
 








T

The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
bashlsdir said:
Even though I don't agree with some of you remainers, one thing I have never done on this forum is call people names. Calling me a fckwit is unacceptable.
Click to expand...

It's standard rubbish from people like Simster. Now the shennanigans are being used against remainer MPs they howl. It would be amusing but those hypocritical MPs just make me sick.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,503
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Westdene Seagull said:
OK, we've had this discussion before - ERG number ~60. May lost the votes by far more than 60. If MPs had voted based on their constituency results in the referendum then we would be out already. Now those remainer MPs are bitching about lack of democracy. We're at this point precisely because of people like Dominic Grieve.
Click to expand...

There are more than 120 ERG members
 








C

cheshunt seagull

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
2,498
Simster said:
But the fact that they didn't was down to the fact that they felt the deal on the table wasn't in the best interests of the country - it's their job to vote like that.

You are absolutely right in saying that parliament has a job to deliver Brexit, but the issue here is that the Tories started off by putting in insane red lines. Out of the customs union, out of the single market, get rid of the Irish backstop - the problem is that doing all those things makes a sensible Brexit absolutely impossible. Do you honestly think this referendum would have ended up leave if we had been told that the only way out was a hasty, expensive no deal?

I'm a remainer as you know, and I would be "happy" to see the result respected if it had been implemented without these stupid Tory-defined red lines in place. We should already be enjoying an EFTA-like relationship with the EU. There is absolutely no mandate for where we are now.
Click to expand...

Totally sums up how I feel. One group has forced their definition of Brexit on the rest of us and then claimed, without a shred of evidence, that this narrow and extreme definition is the will of the people.
 




Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,024
The arse end of Hangleton
theonlymikey said:
Evasive as per.

And wrong, as per.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

Labour Maifesto page 24 - negotiating Brexit reads:

"Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. "

The same manifesto goes on to say:

"Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade."

Lets focus on democracy though shall we?

The 2017 GE voting share : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

Over 52% of people voted for Anti No Deal and Remain parties.

Furthermore, the 40% vote share of conservatives includes votes for the Scottish Conservatives whose leader opposes no deal.

Every single reputable poll indicates less than 30% of the people think that No Deal qwill be a satisfactory outcome. The people who think it will be a good outcome is even less.

This is not about democracy. It's right in front of your eyes, yet you will not see?
Click to expand...

And yet at their last conference the Labour Party agreed to 'leave every option on the table' …. i.e. sit on the fence.

Equally, a vast majority of people at the last GE voted for a party that said it would honour the result of the referendum …… yet MPs have consistently failed to do this.
 




Mental Lental

Mental Lental

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
2,273
Shiki-shi, Saitama




Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,580
The Fatherland
Garry Nelson's teacher said:
I agree with [MENTION=27983]Bas[/MENTION]hisdir, for what it's worth and I write as someone who usually finds himself pretty much in agreement with [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION]
Click to expand...

Team [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION]. Calling someone a ****wit is no reason to get upset. It’s not personal nor specific , it’s a regularly used broad term.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,503
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Garry Nelson's teacher said:
They had the former PM of Iceland on Sky today. He said that the best route for the UK was this. He also predicted that 'in the long run' the UK would flourish out of the EU, and cited Iceland as an example. The problem with his analysis was that Iceland never had to dis-entwine (if that's a word!) from a 40 year relationship with the EU. Anyway, an opportunity missed perhaps as we plunge towards the binary reality.
Click to expand...

Iceland are in with Norway as part of Schengen (which we rejected) and EEA/EFTA so it's a bit rich for him to suggest we would flourish out of the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/preparing-for-eu-exit-norway-iceland-and-liechtenstein
 


T

theonlymikey

New member
Apr 21, 2016
789
Westdene Seagull said:
And yet at their last conference the Labour Party agreed to 'leave every option on the table' …. i.e. sit on the fence.

Equally, a vast majority of people at the last GE voted for a party that said it would honour the result of the referendum …… yet MPs have consistently failed to do this.
Click to expand...

You know fine well No deal was never going to be left on the table by Labour. And as such, my post remains true and relevant.

Do you have any sort of evidence, ANY evidence at all that there is a mandate for no deal then please speak up now.

Do not use the referendum. Because as I previously corrected you this was mandate for brexit, not a mandate for no deal.
 






Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,503
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Westdene Seagull said:
And yet at their last conference the Labour Party agreed to 'leave every option on the table' …. i.e. sit on the fence.

Equally, a vast majority of people at the last GE voted for a party that said it would honour the result of the referendum …… yet MPs have consistently failed to do this.
Click to expand...

A vast majority of people at the last election voted for a party that said it would reject No Deal.

You've shown your colours.
 


Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,024
The arse end of Hangleton


You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here