Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
remember Keegan scoring with a header,beat a very good side that night
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[Football] Liverpool F.C.
- Thread starter Herr Tubthumper
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remember Keegan scoring with a header,beat a very good side that night
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
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You say " There WAS a massive problem with religion in Liverpool " is there still a problem in 2018?
My original point before you got involved was that I didn't understand what the saying on the banner means.
My next point was I had only recently seen this type of banner, I'm sure the photos are from the last couple of seasons.
I don't remember seeing banners like this in photos and tv shots from the 70s/ 80s /90s etc.
I'm not going to " Google argue " with you either, all I meant was that I did a quick search between posts earlier and didn't see religion mentioned.
Most posts on the search are from forums, some mention Liverpool fans don't like the England team, some even mentioned a political reason to do with Thatcher.
I honestly don't know the answer, that's why I'm confused.
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
Sums my feelings up too. Hitachi were always better than Sharp anyway...
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
Poetic! I could almost hear Peter Jones in that description which epitomises my fond memories too of the late 70s and early 80s. Mum never had any trouble getting me to go to bed on Liverpool in Europe nights, where the crowd were some times nearly all khaki Warsaw Pact soldiers and the crackle of Radio 2 coming live from Sparta Far-Away FC sounded like it was being played just outside Jupiter. Halcyon days those. No wonder Liverpool were my first love in a world devoid of TV football!
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Thimble Keegan
Remy LeBeau
It is actually the other way around, Everton draws their support from the mainly the staunch catholic areas of the city, Liverpool have historically been the Protestant club.
Neither club outright align themselves with the Old Firm but Everton do have a song which references hatred towards Rangers. But I doubt neither sets of fans are particularly sectarian these days.
Anyway, back to the original question, I grew-up under Liverpool's dominance in the 80's and was surrounded by "fans" of the Reds so I have absolutely no love for them at all. In fact, I actively wish Man City get their form back and power past Liverpool to win the League.
That said, I would much, much rather Liverpool were champions than Man Utd...
Albion & England forever.
Thimble Keegan
Worthing BHA
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Doonhamer7
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- Jun 17, 2016
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First started watching footie in late 70s, apart from going to see QOS (all 750-1000 of us on a good day) we all had an affinity to another club - which if you were Protestant was Rangers and Catholic Celtic - I didn’t want either so where was all Scotland’s best players - Dalglish, Souness, Hansen so went with Liverpool. My boss c8years older supports Man U because of same reason Buchan, Macari, McQueen and Jordan. I
GT49er
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Less than that, I think. The person I was replying to (who said away days up there in the70s were grim) was apparently using the 'We' word to mean Palarse. But we (Brighton) didn't, I'm pretty sure.
Lovely city, lovely people, great club. Went to Uni. in Liverpool, and really loved standing on the Kop (for some of us Shankly did a brilliant PR job by playing University undergraduates in his team - lads we could identify with!). Haven't been back and done it since (well you can't these days anyway). Don't get me wrong, the Albion are my team; I don't like Liverpool FC anywhere near as much as I like the Albion, nowhere even close, but I still like them. I also think some of the more rabid anti-scousers are very wide of the mark, and a bit sad really.
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
not really,all scousers pine for an affinity with Ireland
The amazing Peter Jones, or on extended TV highlights later the same evening with Gerald Sinstadt, or shown on Harry Carpenter’s Sportsnight away at eastern bloc clubs such as Dynamo Dresden. Much of it on youtube still.
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
Spot on. My dear old mate and neighbour is a lifelong Liverpool fan, born and bred, first games during the Phil Taylor era in division 2 with Jimmy Melia in the team, and was brought up a Catholic. The famous 'split family' phenomenon up there would be impossible if it were truly sectarian. That old bollocks is for the jocks.
I have noticed (from MOTD) that the Everton crowd look less scummy in recent years. Fat toothless blokes, and women with badly dyed hair screaming abuse was de rigeur only a few years ago. Now it seems to be mostly tutting.
Everton’s Grand Old Team song was pinched from Celtic in 1983/84. Not because there’s any of Celtic connection or anti Rangers thing ... there wasn’t. It had been sometimes sung by kids in Liverpool since the 50’s.
According to research published on toffeeweb:
“However, it must be said that my research, and the majority of the more detailed research into the fans of Everton FC, conclude that the sectarian divisions of Glasgwegian, and even to some extent Mancunian, football supporters, are in no way matched by football supporters in Liverpool.
There, in fact, is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the fan base of both clubs is non-sectarian.
Although the Irish community had a flourishing amateur football leagues by the early 20th Century, this didn’t translate into professional football. There wasn’t the emergence of a catholic club as was the case in Ulster, Glasgow, Dundee and Edinburgh. Both clubs in Liverpool had emerged from the Methodist New Connexion chapel team of St. Domingo’s. Although Liverpool FC was criticised in the Socialist press for not allowing a collection for striking Dublin transport workers, there is nothing in the local catholic press of the time to denote a specific sectarian attachment in the pre- war years. Of the Irish national party councillors in the city, Taggart had shares in Everton, while Austin Harford did in Liverpool. [12]
The question of why a similarly Catholic-based club, such as Glasgow Celtic, didn’t emerge in Liverpool is key to an understanding this issue. The detailed research of David and Peter Kennedy into this issue explains why this didn’t happen in Liverpool even though Liverpool had the greatest proportional immigration of Irish in the late 19nth century of any British city – in 1871, Liverpool had 15.45% of its population of Irish origin. The nearest to it was Manchester with 9%. [13]
Crucially the Kennedys have discovered that, despite the development of many Catholic football teams in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, none of them developed into an equivalent of Glasgow |Celtic. They have given two reasons for this. Firstly, none of the teams lasted or were part of an organised league. Secondly, the local Catholic hierarchy actively discouraged the development of such a team for their own political reasons.
It was the policy of the Liverpool Catholic hierarchy to integrate the Irish into British culture, whilst maintaining their Catholicism. This was due to the perceived threat to the native population of their poverty and passive support for Irish nationalism; to counter this, the hierarchy tried to cultivate respectability through constructing a network of charitable organisations. It also tried to emphasise British, rather than Irish, culture in its schools.”.
Fat toothless blokes, and women with badly dyed hair screaming abuse, broke away to form the Chelsea North West Supporters Club. They had the perfect look.
Its nothing like the Celtic v Rangers thing today though. Liverpool sing that Fields of Athenry song every time I watch a game. An irish folk song, with different lyrics admittingly.