Nobby
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We haven’t won the Watford game yet apparently. They’re still checking the Maupay offside
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[Football] Right then. After that demonstration... VAR? Yes or No?
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We haven’t won the Watford game yet apparently. They’re still checking the Maupay offside
Sussex Nomad
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Two tiered football surely? One law for the top division, one for the rest. And anyway, if you are seen to be an inch offside are you happy with that?
Nobby
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1 minute and 42 seconds. I’ll say that again. It took 1 minute and 42 seconds for Taylor to be told it was offside. If it takes that long how can it be a clear and obvious error?
Deadly Danson
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Completely agree with every word. I simply don't understand how anyone with a pulse who goes to football won't miss celebrating a goal with the same gusto and insanity that we always have. Maybe once they do away with the ridiculous new handball rule and somehow find the technology to instantly rule an offside accurately then it might work but until then bin it.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
You may have something there.
How about this. Whenever there is only the goalkeeper between a player and the goal-line, his boots change colour. They light up. LED lights. So immediately he passes beyond the last defender (whether its with the ball or not), you can see he is then beyond the last defender because his boots are lit.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he IS offside of course, he may have timed his run perfectly. It would just be an immediate, indisputable visual indicator that he is, at that moment, beyond the last defender. If his boots are already lit up when the instant the ball is played - he's offside. No ambiguity. No dispute. And it would look pretty COOL wouldn't it ? I'd also have it that BOTH boots need to be beyond the last defender before they light up and make him 'offside', not just one, but that of course would need a rule change.
Bonkers ?
Hastings gull
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Yes, I thought that too. I don't know what VAR equipment is used, but hope and presume that they don't just lift the TV companies coverage, but see an incident from all angles?
Nobby
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All of THIS
And I bloody well knew this was all coming, it’s so frustrating - shambolic use of a worthwhile technology.
Nobby
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THIS too
beorhthelm
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absolutely not happy with two tier football, but since VAR and tech is applied at top level and see an inch offside now, thats where we are. at least make it instant.
Hastings gull
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Yes, my thoughts as well, though, to be fair, if we all want something that is correct, then perhaps this is what we will have to put up with, but the resulting disappointment after Trossard's first "goal" is not something that I would want repeated. Puts me on the fence, I suppose, but surely it could be used only when something is clearly wrong, and given that no one on the pitch quibbled with the "goal" then that should have been the end of it. Perhaps if the ref is unsure, then it could spring in, but the thought that we might have to be on tenderhooks after very goal/penalty will at vital moments ruin the spontaneity aspect for sure.
Arthritic Toe
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Disputable camera evidence
How the camera distorts unless corrected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rUuvH3fs8
THE MOTD camera distorts, do not know about VAR
My eyes from the East Lower said not offside. The camera distorted the Stephens shot as well. It was well over the bar and the keeper did not get a touch as it looked like on MOTD.
How the camera distorts unless corrected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rUuvH3fs8
THE MOTD camera distorts, do not know about VAR
My eyes from the East Lower said not offside. The camera distorted the Stephens shot as well. It was well over the bar and the keeper did not get a touch as it looked like on MOTD.
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Nobby
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No it’s a bloody good idea
I don’t think this would work for fans at the game though. If you made them flashing boots, maybe.
My eyesight is already shot, so how about an old air raid siren when a player strays VAR offside, it would give Glenn a big help too. Everyone’s a winner
Sussex Nomad
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I just do not get this.
Nobby
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No me neither. Spontaneity is what makes LIVE football. Isn’t it why we all go?
Otherwise I’ll just watch at home and save thousands of quid per year
Point of order!
Would need to be when there is fewer than two opposing players closer to the goal. Player is still offside if there's only one defender (and no goalkeeper) between the attacking player and the goal line.
On a more practical level, I'm not sure it really solves anything.
Are we foregoing video assistant refs for offsides? We're relying on the lino to judge when the ball is kicked, and where the player is at that moment. It's not really that different to trying to spot if the luminous yellow shirt is ahead of the blue one that we had before VAR. Then factor in the back and forth between forwards and defenders as they jockey, try to bend their runs, etc. the light changing frequently over the course of seconds.
Are we using video to judge close calls? We need to freeze frame the moment the ball is kicked, people are questioning the UHD, 50-60fps footage currently used, how is that addressed? You're still picking which frame is the one in which the player starts to play the ball. Why is that an issue now, bit not for your idea?
How do we have light up boots (which will require lights, and power) that can take a beating without damaging the lights, power or circuits, as they are constantly kicking the ball, and occasionally making contact with other boots, goal posts, that are light enough to wear and play football in, and continue to allow players to play the ball the way current boots do?
With such technology, people will be ruled offside for being a millimetre offside. Isn't such nitpickiness part of what people are turning on at the moment?
symyjym
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I have always thought that the game could use a system for offside where all boots and balls are chipped and making the feet as the offside measurement. This would mean that the offside can be caught in real time and stopping play before a goal is scored.
As it is at the moment it will stop players celebrating in the moment, and fans too.
As it is at the moment it will stop players celebrating in the moment, and fans too.
symyjym
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In fact it did.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Neither do I.
Are we really prepared to sacrifice the spontaneity of celebrating a goal, in favour of measuring every decision, every incident down to the last millimetre ? Of diminishing that "rush" you feel when the net bulges, because you know that its still got to be reviewed first, and someone in a studio miles away will be drawing lines across their screen to see if they can find a way of ruling it out ?
I can't believe people are actually happy to go along with this. Surely to god its only supposed to be used when there has been a clear and obvious mistake, something the officials missed, and where a team benefited as a direct result. Thats what its supposed to be for. Thats what we weer told. Not this.
The games gone.
Sussex Nomad
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What about, here is an idea, what about we just drop the offside law. Ok the game would be played deeper but it takes controversy out of the game, who invented that shit law anyway?